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    Why is everyone rushing for XP64 ?

    There has been a lot of chat on this forum with some really interesting thoughs about XP 64 bit.

    One thing I don't understand is why everyone is so keen to get it now, and wants/needs it now.

    Unless you are running with massive ram and really batter the CPU in a none gaming environment 3d modeling for example there will be no benifit or performance boost.

    A lot of people I've spoke to about this seem to want it because they think it will perform better and make the machine "faster", a lot of people seem to want it because they think its cool to have 64 bit without really understanding it.

    I lot of people seem to have missed also that initially drivers will only be 32 bit until companies start making 64bit drivers.

    Whats your thoughts ? are you really going to benifit from it ? do you think you will or are you just trying to be cool and "hardcore"
    It is Inevitable.....


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    perhaps feelings of inadequacy since amd64 linux has been about for ages?

    don't forget 64 bit oses have higher memory requirements just for the os & apps than 32 bit oses

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    Its not just that the chips are 64 bit they are genuinely faster even in 32bit applications.

    Look at the benchmarks.

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    I havn't seen any benchmarks for WoW64 run 32bit applications.
    and benchmarking that on the basis of WinXP 64 RC1 is silly anyway, it wont reflect on the final product release.

    We'll really need to wait until native AMD64 programs come out and see how it stacks up then.

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    I think directhex has an interesting point.

    I have a 32/64 bit linux install on my AMD 64, and the kernel size etc is quite a bit bigger when in 64 bit mode.

    I seriously think people just want it because they think it will be faster. As far as I can see very few home users will benifit from a 64 bit OS at this moment in the IT industry, people just want it to say they have 64 bit
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    home users? remember, there is no xp 64 bit for home users. only xp pro & 2k3 server.

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    the whole point of 64bit is to allow for larger variables in programs, integers with a 32bit cpu are 4bytes, on a 64bit cpu they are 8bytes, so image having a program with 20,000 integers, this would mean that the program compiled for a 32bit system would use 80,000 bytes for the integers, and the same program compiled for a 64bit system would use 160,000 bytes for integers.

    so what difference does this make?.. well, more often than not, especially these days programs are using larger numbers all the time, especially 3d applications, under a 32bit system often the coder needs to use 2 variables and impliment a method for making these two numbers act as one value, which is computationally innifeicent.

    64bit can help by eliminate this process, and being naturally able to perform operations on these large variables.

    This doesn't just mean the operating system needs to be 64bit, the SOFTWARE needs to be 64 bit as well in order to receive the performance gains. And as a matter of point, 64bit won't mean performance gains in ALL areas, mainly software that uses very large variables. software that uses a lot of small boolean and small int type variables will receive a performance penelty!..

    I doubt very much that the majority of Athlon 64 owners are aware of this.. don't jump in with both feet.. Think hard about what you use your system for before parting your cash for WinXP 64. Wait awhile, allow other people to make the silly mistakes, look for reviews, benchmark compairsions, etc..
    Last edited by aidanjt; 09-02-2005 at 05:19 PM.

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    out of interest, does anyone running linux in full 64bit 'native' mode notice an increese in temperatures?

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    no my temperatures have stayed constant, although heavier processing does wack up the cpu - but no more than a 32 bit build
    It is Inevitable.....


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    I've got XP 64-bit, 360 day Evaluation disc but not tryed it yet. Iam waiting for more feedback before jumping in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikonia
    Whats your thoughts ? are you really going to benifit from it ?
    There will be no immediate benefit in switching from a 32 to 64 bit OS. However, as more 64 bit software becomes available then we will see a genuine performance increase and therefore benefit.

    I bet your not posting using software running on Windows 3.11
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    The release of Window XP 64bit would open the gates for 64bit compatible software. No-one is going to make software that has no OS that can run it. That's the reason I want Window XP 64bit to be released.
    I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am so that's the way it comes out.

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    but even 64 bit compatible software (games excluded) won't really see a benifit as it won't exploit the benifits of the platform.

    eg: MS office is slow because its bloaty not because it needs bigger register arrays or the like

    64 bit computer has been around for a long time in the high end server world where it does benifit the applications its running. I just can't see or understand the big rush for home (xp pro) use unless your a 3d modler or something like that
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    ikonia.. I absolutly agree, which is on par with my explaination of 32bit vs. 64bit systems.. I just hope that people understand what I said :/

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    Isnt STALKER going to have a 64bit version?
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    So what do you propose?, we sit at current technology and deal with 32 bit forever?.
    Why move from 4X agp to 8X agp?, did it benefit anyone... no.

    So why move from 32bit to 64bit is not a technical reason, its just another one of those "upgrade" paths to move things forward and force people to upgrade. There are businesses needing this money

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