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    Re: Linux learning curve

    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    ... half the commands, folders and programs have unnecessarily shortened names. Autocomplete has been around an awfully long time now, there's no reason we should have to be dealing with names like blzx or cyptr.
    Hang on ... you're complaining that command names are too short? That might be a first! Still, if you'd rather have something more long-winded to type (you like to exercise your fingers?!), there's always 'alias'

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Start typing something in bash, and press tab. ...
    If nothing happens, press tab again. "Do you want to list [4267] possibilities?"* erm.... no, that's fine, I'll just keep typing...

    *to be fair, this is probably better behaviour than Windows' command prompt (and powershell), which guesses which matching thing you want, then starts cycling through possibilities as you repeatedly mash TAB....

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    I assume you now about the man command facility which gives (sometimes sparse!) information about the CLI commands?

    The book “Linux in a nutshell” (published by O’Reilly) is worth considering - not cheap but a good reference for many of the basic operations. And worth looking at Webmin which can be a useful tool for admin ministering Linux systems via a web interface. www.webmin.com - it may be available through the Ubuntu package manager.
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    Re: Linux learning curve

    Quote Originally Posted by spacein_vader View Post
    I only game on the main monitor. So it seemed daft to have my gaming GPU splitting it's resources when the on board is perfectly capable of rendering the desktop apps on the other screen. Might have to reconsider
    I would put the second monitor on your main graphics card. Two monitors really won't stress it, that simplifies the layout which might sort out your primary/secondary problems. It also gets you away from the infamous Intel graphics drivers.

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    ... Two monitors really won't stress it, that simplifies the layout which might sort out your primary/secondary problems. ...
    Worth considering that with the current setup you're not trying to tell it which is the primary and secondary monitor, but which is the primary and secondary graphic card. There should be a BIOS setting for that which might help, but as DwU says running a second monitor displaying a desktop isn't going to touch the 3D processing aspects of your GPU, so won't impact your gaming experience.

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    I assume you now about the man command facility which gives (sometimes sparse!) information about the CLI commands?

    The book “Linux in a nutshell” (published by O’Reilly) is worth considering - not cheap but a good reference for many of the basic operations. And worth looking at Webmin which can be a useful tool for admin ministering Linux systems via a web interface. www.webmin.com - it may be available through the Ubuntu package manager.
    I didn't know about man, will take a look. I also might take a look at webmin, have already been pointed at Monit which might be useful for seeing server health as I'm mostly concerned about HDD failure signs.

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I would put the second monitor on your main graphics card. Two monitors really won't stress it, that simplifies the layout which might sort out your primary/secondary problems. It also gets you away from the infamous Intel graphics drivers.
    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Worth considering that with the current setup you're not trying to tell it which is the primary and secondary monitor, but which is the primary and secondary graphic card. There should be a BIOS setting for that which might help, but as DwU says running a second monitor displaying a desktop isn't going to touch the 3D processing aspects of your GPU, so won't impact your gaming experience.
    Thanks both, I'll rearrange the cabling etc. tonight and report back.

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    Quote Originally Posted by spacein_vader View Post
    I didn't know about man, will take a look.
    There is a related command called "apropros". Want to find a command for searching?

    apropos search

    You can do the same with the man command asking for a keyword:

    man -k search

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    This is quite cool, I had installed ubuntu for windows before and that was helpful, but this is even better.

    I use MobaXterm now and that lets you run linux commands whilst in windows, use it for SSH and for local files.

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I would put the second monitor on your main graphics card. Two monitors really won't stress it, that simplifies the layout which might sort out your primary/secondary problems. It also gets you away from the infamous Intel graphics drivers.
    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Worth considering that with the current setup you're not trying to tell it which is the primary and secondary monitor, but which is the primary and secondary graphic card. There should be a BIOS setting for that which might help, but as DwU says running a second monitor displaying a desktop isn't going to touch the 3D processing aspects of your GPU, so won't impact your gaming experience.
    So this has actually caused more problems than it solved.

    Shut down PC > Moved 2nd monitor cable to run off GPU > Disabled iGPU in the BIOS > Boot to Ubuntu desktop.

    Desktop now looks horribly corrupted, can make out windows but the text is all garbage. Through a bit of blind luck clicking in the display GUI I manage to get the screens viewable but only by reducing the resolution on the main screen down from 2560x1440 to the 1920x1200 that the secondary monitor supports. No problem I think, it's because it's reverted to screen mirroring. Switch it to 2 screens side by side and it still won't allow me to update the resolution without corrupting the main screen and giving me a blank screen on the 2nd monitor.

    Any suggestions? Or shall I just re-enable the iGPU and go back to what worked?

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    Quote Originally Posted by spacein_vader View Post
    So this has actually caused more problems than it solved.

    Shut down PC > Moved 2nd monitor cable to run off GPU > Disabled iGPU in the BIOS > Boot to Ubuntu desktop.

    Desktop now looks horribly corrupted, can make out windows but the text is all garbage. Through a bit of blind luck clicking in the display GUI I manage to get the screens viewable but only by reducing the resolution on the main screen down from 2560x1440 to the 1920x1200 that the secondary monitor supports. No problem I think, it's because it's reverted to screen mirroring. Switch it to 2 screens side by side and it still won't allow me to update the resolution without corrupting the main screen and giving me a blank screen on the 2nd monitor.

    Any suggestions? Or shall I just re-enable the iGPU and go back to what worked?
    Don't know what to suggest there tbh. I run two monitors off one AMD card using the default open source drivers, one is 1440p the other is a weird 2048x1152 resolution and it has always just worked fine. It is the Intel drivers that have regularly died on me across multiple machines.

    Edit: Though I have never run Ubuntu
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    Re: Linux learning curve

    I would like to think that my observations from when I first started using linux man years ago hold true to an extent ( In terms of a desktop OS at least ) - Things were either incredibly simple and surprisingly intuitive OR they would be an absolute pain in the backside and take you a few hours of fiddling before it would reluctantly work. There has been a lot of work since then from what I can see and I suspect I would have had a much smoother journey then I did back then ( was in the days of Mandrake IIRC )
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    Re: Linux learning curve

    this learning curve is good for deep understanding. so keep it up.

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    I run Linux Mint on an older pc and it works great,their forum is very helpful as well.

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    A quick update on this almost exactly a year on:

    My home server is still Linux based, but it's now running an Ubuntu server 18.04 LTS base with Emby media server, pi-hole and a few other things all running in Docker over the top of it. Solid as a rock.

    My main PC still dual boots, but Ubuntu desktop (18.10 now)is now the default boot. 2 main things have happened that have caused the change.

    1. Either upgrading to 18.10 or a newer AMD driver release has resolved my 2nd screen issues I was having, it now just works out of the box.

    2. Valve launching Steam Play/Proton in August. For those who don't know this is essentially a superset and development of WINE automatically built into the steam client and attempting to run windows games on Linux without having to do the fettling in WINE yourself.

    It works surprisingly well (for my games and system anyway,) and a recent update allows you to add non-steam games to your library and if it recognises the title Steam will try to use Proton on it as well. It's even happy to share it's Steam library with a prexisting one in a Windows partition so you don't need to install a game twice.

    Now pretty much the only things that get me into my Windows partition are Forza Horizon 4 and World of Warships. Everything else seems happy enough to run through Linux and my skillset has evolved that between myself and Google I can get through most issues.


    I would like to find a better music player though. All my music sits on the home server, Rhythmbox has a really clunky interface for large libraries and most of the others I've looked at quickly don't support music libraries being in network locations (whatever the KDE one is called,) or are abandoned (Clementine.) Any suggestions or shall I carry on waiting for the dev of Dopamine to finish the Linux port?

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    Re: Linux learning curve

    Thanks for the update, it was an interesting read. The bit about Proton was specially interesting and at one point would have had me pretty much ditching Windows; I'm typing this booted into Linux and would consider it my primary OS but sadly the Oculus Rift is Windows only and last I read Elite Dangerous was Wine resistant and that's my main game

    Can't help with the music player, sorry. Not something I usually do. Can you not run a Windows music player with Wine installed?

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    Plex mediaserver will handle music (as well as video and image files) so may be worth a look. It is proprietary though. The server application is a download for your Linux box and is configured from a browser on either the same or separate machine. Mobile device applications are around £5, but there are free players for Roku, Apple TV, Android based players etc. Worth a look.

    There is also Amarok and of course VLC (although that is usually associated with video)
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    Re: Linux learning curve

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Thanks for the update, it was an interesting read. The bit about Proton was specially interesting and at one point would have had me pretty much ditching Windows; I'm typing this booted into Linux and would consider it my primary OS but sadly the Oculus Rift is Windows only and last I read Elite Dangerous was Wine resistant and that's my main game

    Can't help with the music player, sorry. Not something I usually do. Can you not run a Windows music player with Wine installed?
    I own E on Steam (no Horizons though, one day I'll get around to it,) so I'll load it up and give it a go. There is a website ProtonDB which has user reports on how well games work, Elite is rated Silver so it may well depend on hardware config. Someone has it working with VR but that's with a Vive which might be more Linux friendly?

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Plex mediaserver will handle music (as well as video and image files) so may be worth a look. It is proprietary though. The server application is a download for your Linux box and is configured from a browser on either the same or separate machine. Mobile device applications are around £5, but there are free players for Roku, Apple TV, Android based players etc. Worth a look.

    There is also Amarok and of course VLC (although that is usually associated with video)
    Emby (which my server runs,) is an open source Plex equivalent so I'm using its in browser player at the minute but native support is always nice. VLC will play anything but doesn't really do big music libraries well and Amarok I really liked but couldn't seem to find a way of having my main music library point to a network share. Happy to be corrected though!

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