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    I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    I haven't changed my objections to Windows 10, but I've left myself with no real choice but to head to it as I left it too long to do the proper research needed to choose an appropriate distro and equivalent applications for the ones I use on Windows 7.

    Hopefully I'll be able to control things to a slightly more acceptable level on Windows 10 with various third-party tools (such as O&O ShutUp10). While I would certainly hope to revisit the option of switching at a future point, that's unlikely to be any time soon - and if I found something appropriate, Win10 would then be put inside a VM for me to do whatever I felt necessary at that point.

    With things as they stand however, I'd obviously want to be able to keep all my installed applications and settings (assuming they wouldn't break on Win10 anyway) and thus do it as an Upgrade rather than clean install.

    As I intend to transfer the SSD it is installed upon to my imminent new system however, the question becomes whether to implement the upgrade on this system and then move it across - and thus hope it would still boot up normally with the new hardware without any issues - or wait until the SSD is transferred over to the new system and hope the installation media detects the recent hardware and also can still do it as an upgrade from Windows 7.

    An added potential complication is that I'd be purchasing Win10 Pro, current Operating System is 7 Home Premium.

    Any insights would be welcome, so thank you in advance for any provided.
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    I look forward to your "I should've done this years ago" post.
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    I think Windows 10 matches your product key to the mobo. As a result, I'd transfer the SSD and then upgrade as you may end up running to activation issues if you move a W10 install from one system to another.

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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    Quote Originally Posted by Spreadie View Post
    I look forward to your "I should've done this years ago" post.
    I'd advise against holding your breath while waiting for mine.

    In the meantime you could entertain yourself .... counting new supernovae. Or unicorn-hunting.
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    Download O&O shutup, gives you a lot more control over what info Windows is sending back to Microsoft
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    I think Windows 10 matches your product key to the mobo. As a result, I'd transfer the SSD and then upgrade as you may end up running to activation issues if you move a W10 install from one system to another.
    I was under the impression that buying a digital download (from somewhere reputable, not the obviously dodgy ones charging less than £10) gains you a retail version rather than OEM. Mainly based on the Q&A section in Scan's listing for the digital download.

    Hopefully there would be no need for a Microsoft account at any point.

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    You need a Microsoft account to install! :/ Once installed you can then change to a "local account" which removes the microsoft account.
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonj1611 View Post
    You need a Microsoft account to install! :/ Once installed you can then change to a "local account" which removes the microsoft account.
    According to this, only the Home version(s) has this issue - although even then according to that, there is a workaround of simply unplugging the network connection to trigger the local account creation.

    Earlier versions apparently still had the option, but less visible. Clearly they are trying to make it even less visable than that now.

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    I have the Pro version and I need to install using a Microsoft account. Haven't tried disconnecting from the internet when installing though so that may work
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    If you do not have network access you can create a local account when you install from fresh. I did this with home edition.

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    Good to know will do that when I need to reinstall.
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    Quote Originally Posted by Output View Post
    I was under the impression that buying a digital download (from somewhere reputable, not the obviously dodgy ones charging less than £10) gains you a retail version rather than OEM. Mainly based on the Q&A section in Scan's listing for the digital download.

    Hopefully there would be no need for a Microsoft account at any point.
    You may well be right. I only ever focus on the cheapest option for MS stuff.... It'll probably just get you to re-activate post transfer then. The only other thing to consider is that if you're upgrading before hand and then moving it, it'll be reinstalling drivers twice - once for the OS upgrade on the old machine and once for the new machine.

    I prefer to limit the number of items Windows is installing new drivers for as it often makes a total hash of it. That's another reason I'd go for upograding Windows post transfer.

    As for the Microsoft account - I ended up linking it to one after making a local one and it has been an absolute pain as some things seem to be working off the local one and some off the linked one. The worst part is my login is synced to my MS account. Except when I use safe mode. Then I assume it tries to use my old login from the local account but this doesn't work. So I can't log in to my account using safe mode. I have to use the missus's account which was created later and doesn't suffer from the same bug.

    A similar bug seems to be affecting onedrive access as well. I hate that, too.

    Windows is a mess.
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    Apart from the online/offline account thing Windows 10 has worked perfectly for me, I have turned off what I want with O&O shutup and since then its been ok.

    Can't say I have had driver problems myself but definitely worth a clean install if changing hardware
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonj1611 View Post
    You need a Microsoft account to install! :/ Once installed you can then change to a "local account" which removes the Microsoft account.
    On Pro versions you do not need to have a Microsoft account during the installation.
    There is an 'Offline' account option during install, albeit not glaringly obvious but it is there, they change the location and wording of it in various releases.
    You don't have to disconnect from the Internet either. Though this will make the option easier to find.

    EDIT: and just to add you can still use the Windows Store with an Offline Windows account, again it will try to persuade you to make an online account, but you just have to say no
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    I managed to install W10 Home a few months ago, I didn't need an account.

    I think i was offline at the time though and it was a fresh install.

    Been fine for my main rig once I disabled what I could but then that rig is only for gaming so no need for an account to come near it.
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    Re: I've chickened out and am heading to Win10

    Quote Originally Posted by adidan View Post
    I managed to install W10 Home a few months ago, I didn't need an account.

    I think i was offline at the time though and it was a fresh install.

    Been fine for my main rig once I disabled what I could but then that rig is only for gaming so no need for an account to come near it.
    I've yet to install a home W10 so couldn't comment glad it's the same.


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