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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by rich_27 View Post
    Do we know/does anyone have theories on why Microsoft might have abandoned that?
    If i had to guess I'd say it's because of money, for OEM's being able to slap a Windows 11 sticker on something will help to sell more.

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I will look forward to a flood of cheap Chinese TPM modules turning up on Amazon real soon.
    Having looked last night, they're already there. Mine was hard to get anything at all because it's an older 20 pin connector, they seemed to shift at some point to 14 pin and those are plentiful. There's a few by ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte and AsRock I spotted

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    We shall see if the predictions that lead to the creation of SteamOS are finally coming true.
    SteamOS would be a godsend at this point. I get so frustrated at stupid things like Microsoft pushing a Win10 update that broke window snapping (suddenly picking a second window to fill the other half of the screen adds 1 or 2 px centering error, so you can click the desktop at the top of the window or your windows overlap slightly, such a pain and how did it ever get past QA) or Windows deciding it going to start reducing the volume of microphones occasionally and leaving them at 93%, and not having a setting anywhere to disable tampering with your settings. I find Windows in the past year has started seemingly having the worst development practices and everything after Windows 7 has had piss poor UI design for power users. How hard is it to - instead of removing a setting people use - just move it to an 'Advanced' menu?! It feels like these days are options are MacOS or "MacOS but its tight design isn't even well implemented"

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    If i had to guess I'd say it's because of money, for OEM's being able to slap a Windows 11 sticker on something will help to sell more.
    That's a really good point, I hadn't considered it as a plus point for OEM marketing!

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by AGTDenton View Post
    EDIT: Further link: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...ty/windows-11/ - I think we could be saved!!!
    ReEngage panic mode!

    The link has now got the following specs:

    Hardware Requirements

    There are new minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11. In order to run Windows 11, devices must meet the hardware specifications. Devices that do not meet the hardware requirements cannot be upgraded to Windows 11.

    Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC)
    RAM: 4 gigabyte (GB)
    Storage: 64 GB or larger storage device
    System firmware: Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0
    Graphics card: Compatible with DirectX 12 or later with WDDM 2.0 driver
    S mode is only supported on Home edition of Windows 11. If you are running a different edition of Windows in S mode, you will need to first switch out of S mode prior to upgrading.

    Note

    This article has been updated to correct the guidance around the TPM requirements for Windows 11. For more information, see the Windows 11 Specifications. To check the compatibility of your device with Windows 11, get the PC Health Tool from Upgrade to the New Windows 11 OS.

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Another negative point for me - taskbar will be locked to the bottom of the screen. Naturally it will, since about my first change on any system in years has been to move it to the top, which I much prefer.

    Okay, not the world's most important issue but flipping annoying (to me) anyway. And it's typical of MS.
    A lesson learned from PeterB about dignity in adversity, so Peter, In Memorium, "Onwards and Upwards".

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    Another negative point for me - taskbar will be locked to the bottom of the screen. Naturally it will, since about my first change on any system in years has been to move it to the top, which I much prefer.

    Okay, not the world's most important issue but flipping annoying (to me) anyway. And it's typical of MS.
    I bet they release a powertools later on that changes that But might be worth waiting until they do.

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    I bet they release a powertools later on that changes that But might be worth waiting until they do.
    Very possibly.

    But if so, MS are obviously brain dead enough to not have learned from declaring the 'classic' interface "couldn't" be done in W8 because the new one was so deeply embedded, only for small third-party developers released a fix about 5 minutes after the W8 release.

    From what I saw, most people that, like me, despised the live tile garbage and just wanted to be able to revert to their familiar interface simply wanted to be given the option. All MS had to do to have defused so much opposition to many of their changes was to give those that really disliked them the choice. What really annoyed people was MS trying to force such decisions on us, like it or not. It was their "We know best, and you will comply, you will be assimilated" attitude.

    And it seems, here we go again with the attitude.
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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    This will probably deserve it's own post at some point but TPM workarounds are appearing.

    Obviously Microsoft may inevitably shut these workarounds down over time, or simply reverse their decision in the future.

    https://winaero.com/how-to-install-w...thout-tpm-2-0/

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    That would seem to suggest they've not enabled whatever is using TPM yet so if you replace the system resources checker with a windows 10 resources checker it doesn't block you. That obviously won't work when more stuff gets added to the build.

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    I wish I could say I was looking forward to this? It's yet another version of windows with no major under the hood changes, a glorified UI update, and yet I'll 'upgrade' to it all the same. I guess I'm the bigger mug?

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Will Office be embedded this time?

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hectori18 View Post
    Will Office be embedded this time?
    Not unless they want Internet Explorer gate all over again.
    It would make the installation size of Windows massive if they were to embed Office.

    They generally try to keep the installation media at 4GB. So that it fits on a traditional DVD.

    A clickable link to sign up and download will probably be included on the Start Menu like it is now on a vanilla W10 installation.

    You can always make a custom Windows image and embed it yourself of course.

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Happy to report I've tested a TPM workaround and it is so far working like a charm.
    Tested on the en-GB version of the ISO.

    The workaround is called the Universal Media Creation Tool
    https://gist.github.com/AveYo/c74dc7...eationtool-zip

    Source:
    https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/how-...pm-requirement

    It goes without saying there may be future consequences so I wouldn't install it on something you heavily rely on or deploy it in a production environment.
    But for anyone wanting to experiment why not.

    I personally don't care if it fails, all my important data is saved on a backup system.

    And also happy to report, that whilst connected to the Internet I was able to create an offline account without having to unplug the cable during installation.
    So Microsoft have learned from that at last.

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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    I was going to give that a go on my old laptop but as I don't have secureboot in the bios(as far as I know) then not sure if it would even work
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    Re: Windows 11 Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonj1611 View Post
    I was going to give that a go on my old laptop but as I don't have secureboot in the bios(as far as I know) then not sure if it would even work
    This tool will bypass RAM, Secureboot, TPM & Storage checks. So you should be alright.
    I gave it a go on VM first just to go through the motions. This made it work on Virtual Box, as that doesn't as of yet have a virtual TPM environment like VMWare.

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    Does it only work with the iso? I tried it with the installer and it said my laptop wasn't up to spec
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