What is Novell Netware

[aidanjt]

secure remote desktop? x forwarding over ssh, mapi? why, there are other methods to do the same job.. you can make it work if you're willing to break a sweat.

MS 'skills' are over rated, you could train a chimpanze to follow all the wizards and dialoge boxes.

[Moby-Dick]

But this is from a users perspective they want an easy life without having to learn the finer points of xwindows. This allows them to do something called a job ( you have heard of one of those havn't you ? ) , the system just helps them to do that without require the loss of formative years. Outlook 2003 is a very good messaging client , and to use its full functionality you have to connect it via MAPI ( or RPC over https , but thats another thing you dont understand isn't it ) IMAP or POP3 just wont cut it.

chimps may use wizards , to really do something well with windows you still use the good old command line so again I sugest you take those blinkers off.

Have you tried to install RHEL recently ? it has more wizards than a server 2003 install.

there are MAPI based mail servers available for linux but they aren't up to much ( HP Openmail for example )

[nichomach]

And openmail has been discontinued anyway, which is a shame since I was considering it as a possible replacement for Exchange.

[Jiff Lemon]

secure remote desktop? x forwarding over ssh, mapi? why, there are other methods to do the same job.. you can make it work if you're willing to break a sweat.

MS 'skills' are over rated, you could train a chimpanze to follow all the wizards and dialoge boxes.

Break a sweat?

Sounds like a severe case of rose tinted glasses.

Wizards and dialogue boxes? you set up a FEBE exchange setup recently? Or RPC over HTTPS?

[Matt1eD]

I love SBS (as much as one can love a Windows OS).

[Moby-Dick]

And openmail has been discontinued anyway, which is a shame since I was considering it as a possible replacement for Exchange.

Barclays used to run it and it wasn't really up to much tbh. I've had a play with a couple of alternative mail servers and havn't found anything as good as exchange ( mainly as its the only one with a truely dedicated client )

[Nox]

Have you looked at lotus notes? Though the client isn't really a dedicated email client (it may appear so at first though) its capable of a lot more than you would think. We still use it as a front end to a lot of databases, aswell as getting our email!

Nox

[Moby-Dick]

*picks himself up off the floor*

please dont swear

Hopefully the notes R6 client is ok , because lets face it , there was room for a LOT of improovement over R5

its also prety expensive unless you use domino server for datbase work as well ?

it has a couple of nice features , but I found it a bit"clunky" for my liking - everthing seemed to be counter intuitive though I think its quite a nice DB front end (nicer than access anyway , which isn't saying much )

[nichomach]

We could always resort to REALLY filthy language. Groupwise! There! I said it! And thoroughly pants it is too!

[Moby-Dick]

go and wash your mouth out with UPS coolant !

I had to work with a client who insisted it was the best thing since sliced bread - poor , misguided fool

[Nox]

yep, domino servers for the db's - its kind of taken as read I've used it at work for the past 5+ years, and I do prefer it to Outlook now, but i've got used to it!!

Nox

[badass]

Now its redundent.

Linux is by far the best choice for a fileserver, with support for NFS, SMB, CIFS, FTP, AFS, NCP and Coda, it is by far the most virsitile OS that exists and beats SBS in performance hands down.

What is it with sissy admins who are afraid of learning things and doing hard work?

I knew someone that thought like that. After completely fcuking up about 10 SMB's it infrastructures with it and ending up costing them many times the cost of a nice SBS box, yet still insisting that he was a linux god and that linux was better for running windos based networks than windows, I cant take anyone that suggests anything like that seriously.