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    Debian Sarge and Etch

    With Sarge being released as Stable in the next couple of weeks, we should be seeing a new Testing, apparently called Etch. My question is, will Etch be as stable as Sarge has been, or will it be more unstable to begin with? Sarge has always been rock solid for me, but will that stability disappear with Etch?

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    Will I have to do anything to my current Debian install, like a certain "apt-get" to update it to the Stable version when it's released?

    Sorry to hijack, but didn't know this until now.

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    If you want to keep Sarge as your release when it goes to stable, open your sources.list file as root (/etc/apt I think), and change testing every time it appears to sarge. I think that should make it the change go perfectly smoothly. If you keep it as testing, it will change to Etch.
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    OK, I think I know what you mean. The list where it tells "apt-get" where to get the updates from, like ftp and http sites, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allen
    OK, I think I know what you mean. The list where it tells "apt-get" where to get the updates from, like ftp and http sites, etc?
    That's the one.
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    etch will be pretty raw post-sarge. should take a few monthst at the very least to become usable - i'd stay on sarge for a few months, and wait to see how things develop (and how many tales of woe you hear)

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    Okey dokey, thanks very much. I'll shut up now so someone else who knows what they're talking about can help you with your original question!

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    Quote Originally Posted by directhex
    etch will be pretty raw post-sarge. should take a few monthst at the very least to become usable - i'd stay on sarge for a few months, and wait to see how things develop (and how many tales of woe you hear)
    Do they strip everything out and start again?

    Also, I've heard tales of something called X.Org as a replacement to the X Window System being in Etch - how much of a difference will that make?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_w
    Do they strip everything out and start again?

    Also, I've heard tales of something called X.Org as a replacement to the X Window System being in Etch - how much of a difference will that make?
    they base it on unstable, to start with. however, unstable goes into a sort of semi-freeze just before a release anyway (because it can't do its job when it deviates too far from testing). once sarge releases, space will be prepared on servers for etch, and there will be a *huge* flood of new stuff into unstable. it'll then take a fortnight at least for any of the new things to trickle into etch - this would be the extremely jittery phase of etch's life.

    X.org is a fork from XFree86. a fork is where one open-source project has its entire source code taken by someone else, and taken in a different direction, for assorted reasons - in this case, the XFree86 team made some licensing changes to XFree86 4.4 which were considered unpleasant (as well as the XFree86 team being luddite dinosaurs), so the last "free" version of XFree86, 4.4RC2, was forked into X.org, which has seen rapid development & improvement freed from the restrictive development model behind XFree86.

    Sarge uses XFree86 4.3, with some drivers back-ported from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current version of XFree86 is 4.5 (though no linux distributions use XFree86 4.4+ anymore), and the current release of X.org is 6.8 (6.7 being the first proper version). Xorg brings far better hardware support, as well as improvements to the 3D drivers in open-source 3d situations such as intel extreme, via unichrome, or ati radeons 9250 and below

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    Ah, thanks for explaining that. I'll stick with Sarge for the moment then, but I'll certainly be watching Etch!
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