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    Microsoft Outlook

    Just built myself a new PC (at last!) and I'm looking to transfer my old emails over into my new installation. The old drive is a slave, and Ive installed Windows onto a new drive, with the intent of copying stuff across.

    I don't need the account details, as I can still remember those, its just the emails I want to get hold of without having to dismantle my system, boot old HD off of old PC, export/backup emails, then transfer them across. Is there nothing I can copy and paste?

    From now on I'm using IMAP email, such a great idea, but there are some old ones on my ntlworld account I need to get hold on!

    Any ideas folks?

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    The emails should be in a .PST file which is in:
    Documents and Settings\<Username>\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook
    Once you've found the file you can then import this straight into your new installation

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    Don't use Outlook, would be my idea...

    (That was helpful wasn't it?)

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    personally, outlook is great.

    Depending on the version of outlook you should be able to export the accouns and rules from the tools menu (i think it's in that one, doing this from memory)

    If you have multiple partitions (which is a good idea btw) then i would copy the .pst into a folder on a partition other than the windows one. Then open the pst in Outlook and get it to use the new personal folder as it's mail destination (can't remember where the option for this is, they keep changing it) then restart outlook and close the default created during install. Now you shouldn't have to rescue your pst if you reinstall

    thats what i do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutley
    Don't use Outlook, would be my idea...

    (That was helpful wasn't it?)
    Spot the linux fan!

    Actually i'm intrested in good alternative.

    Must have email, calander, automatic meeting arrangement. Calander sharing too. A nice slick fast to use GUI, tablet PC support..... Yet to find one, guess i'll use outlook.

    failing that web-based EXCHANGE is all i've found!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus
    Spot the linux fan!

    Actually i'm intrested in good alternative.

    Must have email, calander, automatic meeting arrangement. Calander sharing too. A nice slick fast to use GUI, tablet PC support..... Yet to find one, guess i'll use outlook.

    failing that web-based EXCHANGE is all i've found!
    Well I would have recommended Mulberry (Mac, Linux and Windows) but sadly they went bust last month. However Ximian's Evolution is excellent - very much like Outlook in presentation, but without the annoying nannying features that so many MS products 'feature'. http://www.novell.com/products/deskt...evolution.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Funkstar
    personally, outlook is great.

    Depending on the version of outlook you should be able to export the accouns and rules from the tools menu (i think it's in that one, doing this from memory)

    If you have multiple partitions (which is a good idea btw) then i would copy the .pst into a folder on a partition other than the windows one. Then open the pst in Outlook and get it to use the new personal folder as it's mail destination (can't remember where the option for this is, they keep changing it) then restart outlook and close the default created during install. Now you shouldn't have to rescue your pst if you reinstall

    thats what i do.

    Few things here Firstly Multiple partitions are a terrible idea. Paritions used to have a purpose years ago when windows/applications/dos/etc couldnt cope with large drives, but these days we have something better..folders! Much safer, less prone to falling over, much less risky when you create them, less watefull with respect to disc space..and they do the same job!

    Also i dont think that with outlook theres an easy way to get at your emails, at least I never found one. Only method i could use is the import/export function, and even then that wasn't 100% reliable. I think you will have to boot off your old drive and export them that way ;/ only way i can think of. I could be wrong here though

    As for alternatives, well for me there's nothing really that comes close to outlook in terms of functionality, ease of use (generally) etc etc, from 2003 onwards I like it At work we use lotus notes - and i can't stand it, its horrible. Buggy as hell, slow, fugly, poorly designed UI..so don't go near that. Eudora is the only alternative i would really reccomend, its fairly nice to use and pretty stable, still prefer outlook though
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb
    Well I would have recommended Mulberry (Mac, Linux and Windows) but sadly they went bust last month. However Ximian's Evolution is excellent - very much like Outlook in presentation, but without the annoying nannying features that so many MS products 'feature'. http://www.novell.com/products/deskt...evolution.html
    I'd second the vote for Evolution. Very good, and cross platform too.

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    Few things here Firstly Multiple partitions are a terrible idea. Paritions used to have a purpose years ago when windows/applications/dos/etc couldnt cope with large drives, but these days we have something better..folders! Much safer, less prone to falling over, much less risky when you create them, less watefull with respect to disc space..and they do the same job!
    what a load of cods.

    if you have to reformat a partition ( say for a reinstal ) then if your data is on a seperate partition it remains intact.
    which is quckier to defragment?

    How about you proove some of those more outragous claims before you lay down the law again.

    In an ideal world you'd have a drive for each of the partitions , which is a much better idea , especially when it comes to moving page files , but you can't always do that ( although a page file on a seperate partition wont actually change the performance of a system )

    You've not heard of the pst file where outlook stores all its mails before ( note I'm not talking about Outlook express which uses odd MDX files to store mail )

    It depends on what you want out of the application - outlook only really shines when connected to exchange - if you just want an email client , then something like thunderbird will do just as well.
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    No i still don't agree with you on partitions. I still think they are evil, and have caused me no end of troubles. The number of things that can go wrong with partitions is what makes them so dangerous. Granted most of these are when you are creating/editing/deleting partitions, but still...you want proof, so I can give you a few examples

    Most recent is only last week, a relativly simple operation, delete one 20gig NTFS parition, and expand a 100gig parition to 120gig. All on one drive, and the 20gig partition had a win2k install on it. So I load up partition magic tell it to make the changes etc etc and it reboots, and fails. So it auto reboots and lo and behold windows won't boot anymore. joy. cue hours of trying to troubleshoot (rescue disc didnt work), with the only solution being to let windowsXP create a new partition and install itself onto that. Luckily the data was still intact and i was able to sort it out, but it was close.

    A few years ago I used to have my drive partitioned into 3 sections, 1 for windows, 1 for data and one for games. A good idea I thought, same reasoning as you (easier to reformat, better performance) and to a certain extent this is true. That is, until something goes wrong, such as you run chkdsk and, while trying to fix some 'errors' it screws up the partition table and bye bye goes my data (well i was able to recover most of it, but only after hours of work and using another hard drive)

    It's just more hassle than it's worth. All my data is (now) backed up onto DVD/CD (hard discs are just too unreliable) so it's not an issue if i need to reformat as its there. Re-installing programs is a little bit of a pain unless you slipstream your XP CD so that you get office etc pre-installed. Quicker to defrag? Artifically yes but you still need to defrag all your partitions, which imho is more inconvenient as with my current setup (2 drives, 1 partition on each) i can just leave it going overnight or while i am at work, as opposed to having to start it on each partition every hour or so..

    Each to their own i guess but i just think it's stupid to use partitions to separate/organise data when thats what folders are for.

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    Parhaps you've been unlucky - we all have our personal likes and dislikes ( eg I'd rather rub myself with a cheese grater than use lotus notes or a blackberry )

    There are another couple of good reasons to make use of partitions , for example with 2003 shadow volumes. For example if you only have one array for data but you want different shadow scedules for user and charsed data , then you have to create a partition/ virtual drive ( ie using a folder as a mount point ) , the same for quota sizing , you can only impose 1 quota per volume per user , so again if you had user data and shared data on the saem volume you'd have a problem imposing a quota on the users home folders without affecting shared drive performance.
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    The partition table is no more vulnerable than the file allocation table that maintains files (and folders are just special files). Both the partition and FAT (I use the term generically - not to denote a specific OS system) tables are designed to be robust - NTFS is pretty good (although perhaps not as good as something like ext3) but from a data management perspective, partitioning makes sense.
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