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    XP-Mutli License

    Could anyone advise on the cheapest way to license 12 pc's running xp.
    We're setting up a community centre with a small network and would prefer xp.
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    you might try ringing microsoft and asking - i don't think you benefit from any volume license discounts with only 12 machines, so honestly you're looking at 12 retail (you don't qualify for OEM licensing) boxed copies of xp, possibly with a small discount. you'll also be wanting xp pro if you plan on connecting them to an NT domain for administrative purposes (£210 plus vat per box, so ~£2500 if you can avoid paying VAT, £3k if you can't)

    let me guess, you'd rather spend £3k of community money on MS licenses than train a few people on a community OS?

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    Whoa, whoa, whoa - hold your horses. XP Pro can be had in OEM 3 packs at about £244 ex VAT per 3-pack, and remember, you can buy the OS with a mouse as qualifying hardware. I'd assume the community centre will be VAT-registered. Home can be had in 3-packs for £152 ex VAT, if domain integration isn't required.

    Depending on the usage, they might qualify for educational MOLPs also and that can make a huge difference in cost. See HERE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nichomach
    Whoa, whoa, whoa - hold your horses. XP Pro can be had in OEM 3 packs at about £244 ex VAT per 3-pack, and remember, you can buy the OS with a mouse as qualifying hardware. I'd assume the community centre will be VAT-registered. Home can be had in 3-packs for £152 ex VAT, if domain integration isn't required.

    Depending on the usage, they might qualify for educational MOLPs also and that can make a huge difference in cost. See HERE.
    that's still a lot of money for an OS with zero technical support

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    Quote Originally Posted by directhex
    you might try ringing microsoft and asking - i don't think you benefit from any volume license discounts with only 12 machines, so honestly you're looking at 12 retail (you don't qualify for OEM licensing) boxed copies of xp, possibly with a small discount. you'll also be wanting xp pro if you plan on connecting them to an NT domain for administrative purposes (£210 plus vat per box, so ~£2500 if you can avoid paying VAT, £3k if you can't)

    let me guess, you'd rather spend £3k of community money on MS licenses than train a few people on a community OS?
    err no, eopen kicks in for 5.

    talk to someone like greymatter
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    Do community centres count as charities ? I wonder if MS offer s discount for them.

    It really depends on what you want to use the machines for and what software you want to run on them.

    If you want a web kiosk , then I'm sure there are plenty of OS Distros that will do the job perfectly.

    There are stil going to be costs involved either way - Directhex's £3000 will get you 2 weeks of linux training in the UK which isn't really that much ( say if you train 2 people then thats only a week each )

    In the 17 years of so I've been using PC's I havn't had to contact an OS vendor for desktop OS support at all , its been free online in various formats so I dont see how your zero support comment is valid either.

    Often you can get companies to sponsor community centres ( I'm sure its great tax break for them - perhaps one might be generous and extend their licencing for you ? )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moby-Dick
    There are stil going to be costs involved either way - Directhex's £3000 will get you 2 weeks of linux training in the UK which isn't really that much ( say if you train 2 people then thats only a week each )
    http://www.lug.org.uk/lugs/index.php and ten quid on beer will get you 1-on-1 training from someone with an awful lot more practical expertise than the average MCSE

    In the 17 years of so I've been using PC's I havn't had to contact an OS vendor for desktop OS support at all , its been free online in various formats so I dont see how your zero support comment is valid either.
    you're a trained professional though. unless this place has a permanent it support engineer on-site, then they need to get external support from somewhere

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    A fair point , but whats to say Microsoft users are more mercanary than Linux ones ? I'm sure they would be just as capable of providing support.

    I'm only very recently trained - I've just been around PC's for long enough for some of it to sink in

    How many times has the average person had to contact MS directly for a fix ? its not like OEM Version are denied access to window update.

    I think at the end of the say it depends on what they need to do with the terminals.
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    *Ahem* I think there's quite a few people around here who use Windows - some in a professional capacity - who are quite happy to provide assistance without asking for a tenner's worth of beer. If they need professional support on call then it's going to (probably) cost them quite a lot more than that tenner whether they use Windows or Linux. If they just need the odd bit of advice and assistance, well, don't we do that here?

    And this is beside the point; sidcos asked what the cheapest way to license 12 PCs running XP was, not whether Linux would be cheaper to get hold of. The answer is that if they qualify, an education MOLP is probably the best option, if they don't, getting multi-packs of the OEM version of Home or Pro is.
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    sorry to be a broken record but....

    Or eOpen!

    Lease the licenses, very easy to cost in, regular cost, no free upgrades to latest versions. Given that vista, will be out when its ready, its what i'd do. Also its not per machine. Lots of freedom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moby-Dick
    A fair point , but whats to say Microsoft users are more mercanary than Linux ones ? I'm sure they would be just as capable of providing support.

    I'm only very recently trained - I've just been around PC's for long enough for some of it to sink in

    How many times has the average person had to contact MS directly for a fix ? its not like OEM Version are denied access to window update.

    I think at the end of the say it depends on what they need to do with the terminals.
    Of course Micr$$$$$$$$oft people are more mercenary. All people what have anything to do with Micro$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$oft and dare recommend anything Micro$$$$$$$$$$$$$oft are scum. Linux is the only way to go. Alyone that says otherwise just doesn't "get" linux. It truly is the best. At everything. Anywhere. Especially when Micro$$$$$$$$$$oft Windoze XP costs £4.2 billion for a single copy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by badass
    Of course Micr$$$$$$$$oft people are more mercenary. All people what have anything to do with Micro$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$oft and dare recommend anything Micro$$$$$$$$$$$$$oft are scum. Linux is the only way to go. Alyone that says otherwise just doesn't "get" linux. It truly is the best. At everything. Anywhere. Especially when Micro$$$$$$$$$$oft Windoze XP costs £4.2 billion for a single copy!
    i'm really not sure that was particularly productive.

    the way i see it is this: people running a community center are liable to have 0 real IT troubleshooting skills - just the ability to click some stuff, word process, web browse, etc

    if the only requirement is something clicky and browsey that third parties can come & fix when needed, then i'd say it's worth considering the option that's 4 figures cheaper

    unless there's some unspoken reason that windows is a requirement here

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    not having had any input from the OP we'll never know ( untill he posts )

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