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    Vista, what do we like about....

    Well finally it would appear that windows now checks how much info you want to copy to a drive and checks the space available before it copies, about time, my old Amiga was only doing this 10+ years ago but still......

    Also like the way you get a bit of a preview on the taskbar when you hover over a minimised app...

    Dont like the way you turn off UAC and it warns you every 10 minutes that your not running the recommended settings...

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    you turned off UAC?

    why?

    it's by a wide margin the best bit of Vista, and about bloody time too

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    Now, if I understand this correctly, UAC is essentially getting Windows to be more Unix-like with it's handling of Administrator and other accounts? i.e. it expects you to be a normal user, not admin. My question is: in the past however-many years, applications have been designed assuming you are admin - how does Vista deal with that?
    "Well, there was your Uncle Tiberius who died wrapped in cabbage leaves but we assumed that was a freak accident."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_w
    Now, if I understand this correctly, UAC is essentially getting Windows to be more Unix-like with it's handling of Administrator and other accounts? i.e. it expects you to be a normal user, not admin. My question is: in the past however-many years, applications have been designed assuming you are admin - how does Vista deal with that?
    if an app asks to do something it shouldn't be able to as a normal user, you get a dialog box warning you that it "needs your permission to continue". but you'd be surprised which apps do or don't need it. i've come across about 2 occasions (an autorun, and an integrated patcher) where it has failed.

    a YES in the "non-root" column of http://forums.hexus.net/showpost.php...6&postcount=10 is a game which works fine as a normal, non-administrator user, a NO means it asks for your permission (and runs as an administrator, presenting possible security risks)

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    Cos I'm an admin and i dont want the bloody PC popping up umpteen popups when I do something as simple as delete a bloody shortcut icon off of the desktop...

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    meh Vista is just another Windows headache, and eek I have to go back to XP by the end of the week for the some work related stuff. OS X ftw...

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    Hmm....about that moving files malarky...
    Anyone else had issues with moving more than one folder at a time?
    On my install, it appears to calculate the time it will take, move the folders, and then move everything back again....
    i.e. halfway through the move, everything will be on the destination drive, with nothing shown in the source directory, yet once it's completed, it'll leave me with a load of empty folders on the destination drive (without the files they contained), and all the folders (with files in) back on the source drive...it's extremely annoying copying 500gigs of stuff 1 folder at a time
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    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig
    Cos I'm an admin and i dont want the bloody PC popping up umpteen popups when I do something as simple as delete a bloody shortcut icon off of the desktop...
    That would be the public desktop, where modifications are considered an administrative action - individual users can delete things off their own desktops without prompts.

    It's a bitter pill for some people, but while developers continue to produce software which assumes God-like powers, this is the only reasonable way to prevent malware from taking over - we failed to convince users to log on as users.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike_w
    Now, if I understand this correctly, UAC is essentially getting Windows to be more Unix-like with it's handling of Administrator and other accounts? i.e. it expects you to be a normal user, not admin. My question is: in the past however-many years, applications have been designed assuming you are admin - how does Vista deal with that?
    Internet Explorer sessions run with lower-than-user privileges, the users and admins run with user level privileges, and anything that is launched under the context of a user which tries to perform an administrative task generates the interactive prompt to make the user aware of the fact.
    Users have to provide credentials to run the program as a different user in their session, and admins just have to acknowledge the prompt.

    It's still being fine-tuned based on feedback, but I think it a great benefit - and I'm logged in with a user account so admin tasks mean I have to authenticate every time I am prompted.

    And finally we should see apps being written with a little more care to design and required privilege level... next thing you know they'll be writing 64-bit versions of their software at last

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    Anyone else had issues with moving more than one folder at a time?
    On my install, it appears to calculate the time it will take, move the folders, and then move everything back again....
    Are you getting a UAC prompt when doing the move?
    I've found some quirks when trying to move/copy/delete files when the NTFS permissions are stale (i.e. from previous OS installs) and so it has to prompt to become an admin task - then it seems to go through the motions but do nothing.
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    Vista is the most stable version of Windows I have ever used, I was incredibly surprised with its stability and its general performance (remembering it is a beta OS). x64 needs working on though (it is the next gen of PC imo- I say this because x64 allows a much larger memory address meaning that on games, at least, we will see much bigger environments and with this a more indepth gaming experience. Imagine BF2 on x64 :O), it is the slower version of Vista but driver support is actually better than Windows x64 Pro (not really but its good). It takes a bit of working to learn all the stuff (like disabling UAC), but again it is a beta OS. I expect I will reinstall the OS once they can sort out the boot thing (it doesn't like sharing boot with XP, it is possible but too much hassle messing around with boot sequence and bios boot drive etc.)

    In general though I liked Vista completely as an OS and I will be buying the Ultimate version as long as its not extortionately priced. I know how Microsoft will charge rediculous amounts but here's to hoping
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    patching kernel stuff, really neat, proper zero down time.

    (and no, unix hasn't been doing this).
    throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus
    patching kernel stuff, really neat, proper zero down time.

    (and no, unix hasn't been doing this).
    Actually, I don't believe Windows does either, yet.
    Hot patching is for non-kernel patches, at least as it stands today to my knowledge.
    So drivers, services and session code can be hot-patched but there will still be a few types of patch that will incur a copy-on-restart.
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    UAC is a good idea, they just need to tone it down a little so it doesnt ask in some of the more ridiculous cases it does right now. Once they get it behaving a little better itll definatley be one of my choice picks.

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    Not had a boot problem with mine yet. Runs really well. Easy to boot into either XP or Vista.
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    A lot of the home users/parents are probably going to find the parental controls are really handy (if they bother with them) - looked pretty easy for them to use (apart from the "do you want to check the log??" prompt that comes up seemingly after every controlled session - ain't tried it too much, however, so might have just been unlucky on that one so far....).
    I was surprised to find that you can't block Internet Explorer from running in it, but you can just block access to all websites, which does the same thing, more or less.

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    i like the way you can pick the rating scheme used by the games explorer - however, i find it odd (read: stupid) that it doesn't base the default on your chosen location and locale, and a little disappointing that whilst games explorer has a 100% record for me for finding box art images, it seems unable to get any non-ESRB ratings at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Adams
    Are you getting a UAC prompt when doing the move?
    I've found some quirks when trying to move/copy/delete files when the NTFS permissions are stale (i.e. from previous OS installs) and so it has to prompt to become an admin task - then it seems to go through the motions but do nothing.
    Yes I most certainly am Paul. I thought it may be something to do with that (as I couldn't recall having as much problems with freshly created folders from within Vista), but wasn't sure if it was just me being a numpty...
    Have you found any way round it, or is it just a case of lump it for now until a bugfix is issued?
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