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    Looking For Good Online ASP Tutorials

    i'm looking to get back into web programming, at uni i did PHP and MySQL but we didnt really cover ASP which is something i'm looking to get into.

    Does anyone know of any good online ASP tutorials which can kick me off?

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    MySQL and PHP taught by a uni?

    Most uni's won't teach you MySQL, they will teach you relational database theory, which you can apply to ANY of the db's out there in the world. Relational algebra is mostly useless thou.

    ASP is old, ASP.NET is where the money and good design is.

    ASP.NET is a framework, not a language.

    check:
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/ex...d/default.aspx

    its free, has everything you need to get hooked, tutorials and a very good IDE.

    I would liken it to been allowed to 'chase the dragon' that is inhail herroin, for free. Once they've got you hooked on the golden brown, its not long before you need to start on the much more powerful version (which costs a fair bit of money) ie your an addict injecting herroin on a twice daily basis.
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    lol good analogy there ^^

    Here are some more links - make sure you are developing in ASP.NET 2.0 as well, there are some fundamental differences between 2.0 and 1.x, it makes your life a heck of a lot easier.

    http://www.gridviewguy.com/Articles.aspx
    http://aspnet101.com/
    http://aspnet.4guysfromrolla.com/2.0/

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    should also mention that most people who come from a PHP mySql grouding get very upset if ever they have to work with me (which is strange, because i did dable in both myself!)

    First off with a proper sql backend, stored procedures are just fantastic. With stored procs you not only get performance boosts (because the server can optomise the sql, dosen't have to parse it each time etc) maintance life savers (you instantly have a clear distinction between code and database) security (you can't do injection attacks the same way, you can limit access per stored proc too).

    in short its great.

    But oppersite to php + magic quotes philosophy.

    I'm sorely tempted to have a massive rant about a uni teaching such piss poor (from a design point of view) ideas as mysql and php, its not the job of a uni to train, but to educate, i know tony blair dosen't ................ takes some more flu medication.

    as spud1 said 2.0 is a lot better, if your host dosen't support it, find another host!
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    buy a good book. t'is the best advice for learning any programming language

    back in the day i had ASP 2.0 Unleashed by SAMS publishing, now i have ASP.NET Unleashed 3rd ed by the same wasters. the old book was much better, but i'm not a fan of the nasty VB-based examples in the current book

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    www.tutorialized.com is good for tutorials

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    I'm sorely tempted to have a massive rant about a uni teaching such piss poor (from a design point of view) ideas as mysql and php, its not the job of a uni to train, but to educate, i know tony blair dosen't ................ takes some more flu medication.
    I think you've just rather defeated your own argument. The students job would be to academically assess any shortcomings if indeed their only choice of tools where these, or indeed any other particular set.
    To err is human. To really foul things up ... you need a computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamangman View Post
    I think you've just rather defeated your own argument. The students job would be to academically assess any shortcomings if indeed their only choice of tools where these, or indeed any other particular set.
    your kidding right?

    They aren't been taught it in a manner which incourages people to ask why? They're been told to learn it. Simple training, nothing more, and only getting marks for completing assignments.

    Any uni that teaches a student purely PHP, dosen't explain any of the other pardigms should loose any goverment money!
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    You may be right but i've never been to an instituation where that is the case. I have however been taught fundamentals before through a single set of tools for example (i.e. the oft together seen LAMP), and the overriding factor of course is to address any pratical assessment with a lengthy written discourse exploring that (dicussing perhaps the effect it has on the quite disperate Linux distros, there is no LAMP panacea as it were). That is the purpose of university, it isn't vocational training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yamangman View Post
    That is the purpose of university, it isn't vocational training.
    My complaint is that its all too often the latter, when we did our last batch of hiring i had to sift through the hopeless from the hopefulls. I was shocked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    your kidding right?

    They aren't been taught it in a manner which incourages people to ask why? They're been told to learn it. Simple training, nothing more, and only getting marks for completing assignments.
    This scenario sounds familiar to me. Other than my final year project that I'm currently doing, my time in uni has been the least inspiring 3 years of my life. I couldn't recommend that anyone does my course which is now a number years old! Its old enough to include classic ASP of all things. The course has been updated since I started but my year hasn't been included into it.
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