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    and THAT is the right decision

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19072677

    Drop all 8 of them out of the Olympics...

    I don't CARE if you're worried that you and your team mates might end up on the same side of the tournament tree, preventing a potential Gold Silver, 1 - 2

    You play your hardest, always .. and you do it in the spirit of the Olympics.

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    Good decision.

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    I agree, but why construct a tournament system that could even conceivably reward losing?

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    glad they did that. bunch of idiots.

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    Quote Originally Posted by snootyjim View Post
    I agree, but why construct a tournament system that could even conceivably reward losing?
    Because they made the erroneous assumption that people would play in a sportsmanlike fashion.
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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Because they made the erroneous assumption that people would play in a sportsmanlike fashion.
    And to note there are many sports that have a similar feature - either a round robin or plate or repĂȘchage.

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19072677

    Drop all 8 of them out of the Olympics...

    I don't CARE if you're worried that you and your team mates might end up on the same side of the tournament tree, preventing a potential Gold Silver, 1 - 2

    You play your hardest, always .. and you do it in the spirit of the Olympics.
    Absolutely right.

    And for two reasons, IMHO.

    1) It's right for this event, on this occasion.

    2) If they don't stomp on this, and firmly, it'll start a trend.

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    In Kendo, we are told to do our best at all times and to show true fighting spirit but I also accept that sometimes it's better to lose then to win in other sports and situationals.

    What these girls did was wrong, but I believe it's their choice to make, if they want to lose, then let them.

    Also If anything I have been reading has been right, it's their coaches who are to blame as well and the new system they added.

    Everyone should accept a shared responsibility for this and not just the players.

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    I'm not exactly sure about the new system they added. But I certainly agree with the OP that "ending up on the same side of a tournament" and thus a "1-2" should NOT be the reason for manipulating the draws and not playing your hardest.u
    You know, if you are not going to play your hardest then why do you even come to Olympics in the first place???!!
    In total support of disqualifying them. Maybe next time (if they actually got a chance) they will show better spirits.

    P.S. I honestly don't think a possible loss of gold and silver is that bad. "You play your best, ALWAYS." - in total agreement with this statement.

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    To play devils advocate, should the GB football team resting their top players for the next round be considered an offence as well?

    'Team tactics' aren't exactly new in sport. Yes it's a real shame it ruined the whole competition, but what country would want to throw away the chance of bringing home gold and silver? It would have been better if they'd just fortified the game rather than playing so badly though.

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbouk View Post
    To play devils advocate, should the GB football team resting their top players for the next round be considered an offence as well?

    'Team tactics' aren't exactly new in sport. Yes it's a real shame it ruined the whole competition, but what country would want to throw away the chance of bringing home gold and silver? It would have been better if they'd just fortified the game rather than playing so badly though.
    Not in that case, no - the team that's playing will be playing to their best, just some of the squad are resting. I'm absolutely behind the judges on this one. They shouldn't be allowed to compete again either in my opinion.

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    Re: and THAT is the right decision

    Quote Originally Posted by IronWarrior View Post
    In Kendo, we are told to do our best at all times and to show true fighting spirit but I also accept that sometimes it's better to lose then to win in other sports and situationals.

    What these girls did was wrong, but I believe it's their choice to make, if they want to lose, then let them. ....
    It might be better strategically to lose a match. Presumably, they wouldn't do it if it wasn't. BUT, the BWF Player's Copde of Conduct is pretty clear on that point - you must use "best efforts" to win a match.

    Note, not throw a match to do better in a tournament, or to provide some team or national strategic aim, but to win each and every match.

    Seems to me that deliberately throwing points, to lose a match so as to gain a strategic advantage, is a clear breach.

    And that leads to the other charge .... ""conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport". Given the booing from the audience, many of whom had paid not inconsequential amounts for tickets to see these matches, among others, it's hard to see how peeing off thousands off ticket-holding spectators isn't detrimental to the sport.

    What I would agree with is that the BWF and/or IOC ought to reconsider the format of the event, to try to structure things in such a way that a strategic advantage cannot be gained by throwing a match, but regardless, the Olympics is an extremely high profile showcase for any sport, and to have players deliberately trying to lose a match, in clear and direct contravention of that first rule, could and did provoke a rapid and form reaction from the governing body, if the rules and to mean anything at all.

    I can see no defence for these players. They are at the very pinnacle of their sport, in the world's premiere showcase and they didn't obey the rules. Either they acted as they did knowing the rules, in which case they deserve what they got, or they damn well should have known the rules and had no business being in that showcase event if they don't even know the rules of their own sport.

    This might not be cheat by taking drugs, but it's damn close to it, morally, in my opinion. The rules are there, to be obeyed, not to be ignored when you feel it's convenient or that you can get away with it. Knowingly or unwittingly, they broke the rules, and they wholly deserved to get booted out.

    And as for the girl that says she's going to quit badminton, well, that's her choice. If it's a great disappointment after all the training, then all I can say is ..... read and then follow the damn rules, or quit in a petulant sulk.

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