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    SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    What would be the better option for a window 7 install onto a SSD and the swapfile. keep the swapfile on the SSD or move it to a second drive (not an SSD) in this case an old raptor 36Gig.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    as the ssd lifetime is very long you may prefer the qietness of the SSD over the very olf raptop clunking away as a swap file.

    its up to you though, most people use a spinning disk for documents and downloads and leave the SSD to the rest.

    I have a 2nd SSD just for temp and swap file to keep noise down.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    i have my swapfile on my 'less importaint applications' drive but i cant say if i am benefiting from it.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    Definitely keep the swap file on the SSD - the performance characteristics of an SSD are absolutely ideal for a swapfile, and this is the recommended action from Microsoft.

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2...rives-and.aspx

    Should the pagefile be placed on SSDs?

    Yes. Most pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well.

    In looking at telemetry data from thousands of traces and focusing on pagefile reads and writes, we find that

    Pagefile.sys reads outnumber pagefile.sys writes by about 40 to 1,
    Pagefile.sys read sizes are typically quite small, with 67% less than or equal to 4 KB, and 88% less than 16 KB.
    Pagefile.sys writes are relatively large, with 62% greater than or equal to 128 KB and 45% being exactly 1 MB in size.

    In fact, given typical pagefile reference patterns and the favorable performance characteristics SSDs have on those patterns, there are few files better than the pagefile to place on an SSD.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Definitely keep the swap file on the SSD - the performance characteristics of an SSD are absolutely ideal for a swapfile, and this is the recommended action from Microsoft.

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2...rives-and.aspx
    Would not be a problem with the life-time of the drive.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    Surely if you have bucket loads of RAM, you never really even touch the pagefile? Given how cheap it is at the moment there is no reason not to have 8+GB

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    Quote Originally Posted by shamus21 View Post
    Would not be a problem with the life-time of the drive.
    Not in the slightest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    Surely if you have bucket loads of RAM, you never really even touch the pagefile? Given how cheap it is at the moment there is no reason not to have 8+GB
    The pagefile isn't a RAM spill over any more, Windows uses it to optimise things even if you have a lot of RAM - a pagefile on SSD really help windows feel snappier.

    http://lifehacker.com/5426041/unders...dnt-disable-it

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    Was going to make some comments here, but Kalniel has covered everything. Agree completely with everything he's said.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    even if you disable the page file, it still creates one, windows has to as its built to use one.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    I have a lot of RAM, 16GB, so I created a 4GB RAMDRIVE in memory and moved the pagefile to that. No perceptible performance increases, but reduced writes to the SSD and saved a bit of space on it too.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    Ever since I built this PC I've not used a pagefile because of having 8GB of RAM. Maybe If I fit the other SSD I'll use it as a pagefile.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoNz0 View Post
    even if you disable the page file, it still creates one, windows has to as its built to use one.
    ^

    My advice if you have loads of ram... is to simply reduce the size of the pagefile. 1GB or something rather than the usually much larger default size windows will assign.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    my advice is to leave it set to 1.5 times the physical ram so you get no problem with windows or programs it uses, you can bet its the last thing people think of when programs act up.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    well had a go with the raptor as a swapfile only and then just the SSD can`t say i have seen any diffrence yet. If it`s not going to be a problem with the SSD lifetime i will dump the raptor and free up a port, and yes the old raptors do make a lot of noise. Perhaps later in the year when the next gen of SSD`s come out i could pick one up and switch the old one to a swapfile only drive.

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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    If you have an SSD, the only pagefile related consideration you should have is the size. If you have an SSD much larger than what you want to keep on it - don't touch anything. It will have no noticeable effect. Both on wear and system responsiveness.
    If you have lots of RAM and a small SSD, then and only then consider setting it to a fixed size. Don't bother making it smaller than 1GB, though.

    I've made a few assumptions here:
    1. If you've got an SSD, you have Windows 7 or Vista. If not, you're not allocating your money wisely.
    2. If you have an SSD, you have plenty of RAM for your workload. If not, either you are using a netbook, you are asking too much of your hardware or you should buy more RAM before buying an SSD.
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    Re: SSD`s and the Swapfile.

    Sorry to jump in on this thread.

    I am building a new system Monday, and will be my first SSD, budget mean I could only get a 60GB SSD drive, but I have 16GB ram. Obviously I dont want the swapfile to be 1.5x the size of the ram as wont have much of a hard drive left. What would be a good fixed size to have here?
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