Nas Drives

[s3ds]

Its time I changed my NAS drives
Normal I use WD REDs and have been happy ( I always seem to go with WD drives unless its SAS )

What is your thoughts on the following NAS drives ( 4-6GB )

WD RED
Seagate Ironwolf
Toshiba N300

Paul

[DanceswithUnix]

It depends on your intended use and the price you can get.

http://www.storagereview.com/toshiba...hdd_review_8tb

It also depends on your personal bias, most people in reality buy on the basis of their limited experience, eg I don't personally trust Seagate despite not being burnt by one of their drives for probably a decade. Sounds to me like you will end up with more WD Red drives

[badass]

It depends on your intended use and the price you can get.
eg I don't personally trust Seagate despite not being burnt by one of their drives for probably a decade. Sounds to me like you will end up with more WD Red drives

ditto!

[peterb]

I’ve had a couple of WD drives go bad on me, but that isn’t statistically significant. The last was a WD red - just over a year old that started showing unallocated/pending sector errors. WD’s return service was good though. They shipped out a replacement in advance of receiving the old so I could swap out the old drive and put in the New with minimal degraded time for the (RAID 1) array.

Hitachi (HGST) have always been rock solid for me, but they come at a price premium.

[s3ds]

To be fair my NAS drives do not get a lot of hammer. Mostly I have used WD but have had no issues with the older Seagate NAS drives
I have not used the Toshiba drives but two desktop ones have performed ok ( Temporary used in a NAS )

[DanceswithUnix]

... aaand I have a NAS drive with pending sectors on it. Was an old 2TB WD Red (5 years powered up), have ordered a 4TB N300 Toshiba. Will let you know my initial thoughts in case it screams like a banshee or clicks like a scene from West Side Story in normal operation, though I presume I would have heard complaints if they were that bad.

[spacein_vader]

... aaand I have a NAS drive with pending sectors on it. Was an old 2TB WD Red (5 years powered up), have ordered a 4TB N300 Toshiba. Will let you know my initial thoughts in case it screams like a banshee or clicks like a scene from West Side Story in normal operation, though I presume I would have heard complaints if they were that bad.

What software are folks using to see the health of their HDDs? I've got a media server running a bunch of 500gb HDDs that I had kicking around like all of various ages. One was even rescued from a defunct Sky+ box. A lack of space means at some point over the festive period I'll be purchasing a bigger NAS grade drive or two but it'd be handy to know the which drive is most likely to go south and swap that one out first.

[peterb]

What software are folks using to see the health of their HDDs? I've got a media server running a bunch of 500gb HDDs that I had kicking around like all of various ages. One was even rescued from a defunct Sky+ box. A lack of space means at some point over the festive period I'll be purchasing a bigger NAS grade drive or two but it'd be handy to know the which drive is most likely to go south and swap that one out first.

I use smartctl on my Linux box.

[DanceswithUnix]

What software are folks using to see the health of their HDDs? I've got a media server running a bunch of 500gb HDDs that I had kicking around like all of various ages. One was even rescued from a defunct Sky+ box. A lack of space means at some point over the festive period I'll be purchasing a bigger NAS grade drive or two but it'd be handy to know the which drive is most likely to go south and swap that one out first.

Again, this is a Linux box and in this case it was the first hard drive so

smartctl -a /dev/sda

told me there were 2 pending sectors. I only looked because the box was running a bit slow, so there was an element of luck involved if you can call it that.

An hour before the new hard drive was delivered I had an email from the md raid system on the server to say that /dev/sda had died. Logging in, smartctl now said that sda was a no longer a 2TB Western Digital but was now a 600PB drive (!!!) made by "\0\0\0\0" with no other information available so very dead. Installed the new drive this morning, 6 hours to go before the array is recovered. At no point did I get a smartd warning that the drive was failing though.

The Toshiba drive seems OK, the server is in the living room so is fairly quiet and I can't really hear the drive over the fan noise.

[peterb]

I had 112 pending sectors on mine! I'd been getting the odd error for a couple of months, with the occasional Kernel panic reported by logwatch, and then it would go for days without problems. I eventually ran the self test function which highlighted the extent of the errors.

New drive arrived, swapped over and rebuilt the array in about 10 hours. The old drive has been sent back and received. Excellent RMA procedure from WD.

Although I didn't experience any noticeable slowdown, a few years I was faced with very slow performance on a server. I wasnt until I noticed the array rebuilding frequently (and that performance was significantly better while the array was rebuilding) that I twigged what the problem was! But like you, I received no notification from smartd about a failing drive.

[DanceswithUnix]

Excellent RMA procedure from WD.

Nice to hear, haven't had to do a drive RMA for years and these things do change.

I was 5 years into a 3 year warranty, so off to the tip with my drive.

Doubly annoying though, firstly as I knew I was on borrowed time and was planning to buy a pair of 4TB drives to replace the 2TB ones and install Centos 7 on them. I am currently running Centos 6 on the main server with VMs all migrated over to 7.

Secondly, that's 100 quid on top of the £90 I just spent on a car battery. Getting a graphics card upgrade seems further away this month

[s3ds]

On one NAS that I use temp I use OMV I assume I can log in via root with SSH and run smartctl -a /dev/sda

[peterb]

Yes, that’s how I usually access my Linux box. Of course you have to have smartctl installed, it may be there by default, if not you will need to get it from your NAS box repository.

[s3ds]

Update
DanceswithUnix was spot on I just ordered 4-WD Red
Was going to go for the Seagate but noticed the 3tb were on the NAS's list but the 4 were not.
The Toshiba's were 7200 so I was worried about heat.

Have Hitachi stopped doing NAS drives ?

Now its time to replace my desktop data drives WD gold or Hitachi He8 (cheap on scan atm)

[DanceswithUnix]

Have Hitachi stopped doing NAS drives ?

I think so. The bulk of the business was sold off to Western Digital making HGST one of their brands and some of the factories then sold on to Toshiba. If you actually go to Hitachi and buy enterprise storage these days you will tend to get flash modules rather than disk drives.

The last Toshiba drive I bought looked nothing like a Deskstar, so I guess they have moved on in the design now.

[s3ds]

Every time I see Deskstar it reminds me of the IBM-Deathstar 75GB drive