What hard drives are people using these days for home server storage?
Dont really want to go down the WD route at the mo as they've annoyed me with the whole SMR/CMR thing..
Could shuck if worth it..
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What hard drives are people using these days for home server storage?
Dont really want to go down the WD route at the mo as they've annoyed me with the whole SMR/CMR thing..
Could shuck if worth it..
at least they clarified the range so you can order with confidence. Seagate are less clear unless you shell for their approved drives for NAS
I have a couple of WD red in my NAS and they're fine.
Currently shucking 12 & 14 TB WD Elements external drives. They are basically white label WD Reds & are not SMR drives. Only buy when they're on offer though.
I'm currently looking at the 8Tb Elements or MyBook, both are the same price on Amazon (£156), or there's a 12Tb Elements for £186..
@jimborae when you say deal, how much are you talking?
Hey Trig, back in May I bought 2x12Tb Elements drives for £161.49 each direct from Western Digital's online store. Deals like this seem to be fairly regular on HotUKdeals.
This maybe of interest:
https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/...afr_backblaze/
Maybe we should be looking at drives other than WD. I know I've had couple of reds' fail on me and I got caught by the SMR fiasco with two WD Red 6Tb drives which are SMR.
HGST drives it is then, oh no, wait a second, bought by WD and phased out in 2018..
Meh...
My pool is currently 16Tb with 3Tb free space, any shucked drive is likely to be a WD, and as much as I hate them, man this is why competion is a good thing..
Heads up for some enterprise grade drive shucking!!!
https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/12-...hread-comments
Still not ordered a drive tbh, stuck between the 8Tb and 12Tb drives, nearly ordered the 8Tb the otherday but then, well, didnt.. lol
Is there likely to be any difference between MyBook and Elements drives from a chucking POV?
Dont know tbh, but if you havent bought any yet then I'd go for these 12Tb ones. As said 7200rpm, enterprise grade drives with a 3 year warranty. For less than £380 a pair, that's a steal. I would have gone for them myself and added another 12Tb raided storage to my network but I have no need & no room right now.Quote:
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Amazon have dropped the price of the 8Tb to £135 though, and given my pool size is only 14Tb over 3 drives even adding a single 12Tb does seem a touch excessive lol
So, drive arrived, opened it up and it’s a WD80EDAZ drive.
That's good news from memory isn't it? Those are WD Reds, non SMR drives iirc?Quote:
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Not sure, it runs hot tho, 55oC just sat on my desk copying files..
I'm a WD Gold person.
A number of people rave about Toshiba's X300 and N300 helium filled drives at the moment if that gives you another option. If you really don't like WD
Spoke to WD support who saidit had a top optemp of 35oC, thats 20oC less than what this drive sat at on my desk last night transfering files.
I'm going to see if it'll power up in the server or if I need to pin it, see what its like with some direct airflow in the server case..
If you look on the interwebs, there's quite a few that report high temps with that drive so I wouldn't be overly concerned if you have good airflow in your server case.Quote:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder..._drive_inside/
So, its in the server now, sat at 39oC, thats 10oC hotter than my coolest drive, 9oC hotter that the hottest old drive and 2oC hotter than my 2Tb MyBook that sits behind the server...
I'm happy with 39oC, its getting use as Drivepool is moving data around, might be more of an issue when I go from mATX to iTX, but I'm not really expecting it to get hotter given at the mo in the Node804 its sat above the PSU and has a single 80mm fan blowing over it and in the Node304 it'll have 2x fans blowing over it, but we'll see..
Depends what you chuck them at. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig
:lol: ffsQuote:
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Looks liek others are picking up on this as well, would certainly explain why the drive is noiser and hotter than expected..
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd...speed-examined
I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding this, but ....Quote:
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So ... if 7200rpm drives are faster in use, but perform in those characteristics like slower drives, and are priced as slower drives, it's a consumer win-win, right. Provided, of course, they do meet their claims.Quote:
5400 RPM Performance Class drives perform acoustically, thermally, and with regards to power consumption like 5400 RPM drives, even if they spin at 7200 RPM
So if WD are gaining economies of scale by manufacturing one drive type, sorting and selecting to a performance class, is there a problem?
Of course, if they're not right about such drives being as quiet, cool and power-efficient as implied by their "class", as some reports seem to suggest, then that's a different matter.
Am I being a dumbass and misunderstanding this (given that I haven't upgraded a system and paid attention to this stuff in years)?
Is there a technical issue I'm missing, or is this about 'misrepresenration'?
Note: The SMR/CMR thing, I get.
Since I've shucked the drive and put it into my server, it hasnt gotten anywhere near where it did as a desktop drive (its the hottest drive in the server by 8oC), however the WD rep told me the operating temp was 35oC, so mine hit 20oC over that, and its louder than the 2Tb external I had, so the bit about acouustics and thermals is straight up BS, I hit 56oC when in use on a drive that WD say has an optemp of 35, and as above appareantly is the same as a 5400rpm drive..
not sure who it is at WD thats signed off these changes but they're really not helping the image fo the company.
I wonder what the environmental condition are when they (and other drive manufacturers) do their temp tests, though.Quote:
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I do remember, about 15+ years ago, doing some drive comparisons and most (or all, can't find my notes right now) ran a lot hotter just sitting on my desktop than they did inside a case (with decent fans and hence directed airflow). Also, if I took the side off the case for access, temps went up. I ended up, in summer, with aa 12" desktop fan sitting on the floor pointing straight in to the PC inners. It did wonders for system and drives temps but by God did it also chuck dirt and dust about.
Shortly after that. I ended up having a chat with Finis Conner (at the time, Conner Peripherals, and co-founder of Seagate) and one of his engineers treated me to a thermodynamics-in-HDs 101 course. Most of it either went straight over my head, or I've since forgotten, but I do remember bits about environental consistency, and even thermal coefficients in relation to heat transfer. The logic, simply put, was that the higher the ambient air temp, the lower the ability to cool a drive by conductance.
That might account for some (or maybe all, as I'm certainly no engineer) of your 20-degree difference.
But the bigger point is that Conner, and presumably everybody else, had controlled lab conditions and workflow when testing drives for 'reference' temps. We can't expect to get similar results with similar conditions. And if his lab was air-conditioned at x-degrees, it could well have been pretty cool.
Note, it was also an interesting trip, watching the hard drive manufacturing process and how the mag-coat the basic platters. And the night into some of the business aspects of hard drives from Finis was eye-opening too.
Sounds like an interesting trip, I do like stuff like that, even if its the kinda thing you arent directly interested in, knowing how stuff works always has a level of interest, for me at least..
Problem I have with WD is of late, they're just making changes that shouldnt matter to the majority of people, but the way that they have tried to cover them up as a non-issue when they get found out stinks to me when they should just be upfront in the first place, saves hassle in the long run and gives them a reputation of an open and honest company, rather than where we are now...
It kinda makes you wonder what else they're up to that we haven't caught on to, yet. Which may be nothing, but it's not a good look.
I suspect they are embracing SSD's and just milking the HDD sales for maximum profit from the existing technology, running the whole spinning rust business line into the ground. Having said that, I'm surprised they can't make a drive spin slower as a software setting. It sounds like they just turned on the acoustic low noise setting on a 7200RPM drive and called it a 5400RPM, which when the claimed power usage is clearly a good percentage higher is clearly going to result in a hotter and noisier drive.Quote:
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Ironically, for my use my recent HDD purchase I was put off the WD drive because it claimed to be 5400RPM :)
Yeah, what WD claim this week might be different next week though eh...
That's the chance they take when the marketing bods start getting a bit too cute with .... erm .... constructive ambiguities. ;)Quote:
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Trig, just in case you need another. :)
https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/wes...mment-41884722
:lol: sod off, didnt you see me say that last one was my last WD purchase...