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About LinkBacksRead more.Andy Burnham is considering censorship and age-ratings to protect us from the evils of the web.
Read more.Andy Burnham is considering censorship and age-ratings to protect us from the evils of the web.
Another idiot to put next to Jacqui Smith then.
Every time I read these idiots commenting on things they have no understanding of it just gets me more angry.
Burnham shared his discovery that the Internet is "quite a dangerous place".Classics. Absolute gold.Leaving your child for two hours completely unregulated on the internet is not something you can do
Any parent who allows their kid to surf the web, non filtered, on their own is an idiot.
Depends on the content really. I notice that he doesn't actually detail what he thinks shouldn't be viewable."There is content that should just not be available to be viewed"
There are already laws in place to stop the most illegal content like child porn. If he's not happy that these are working, perhaps he should dedicate his time more towards the agency's that do this.
Originally Posted by Saracen
Is it a common requirement to become an MP that you have to be so out of touch with the masses you look a pillock when you open your mouth?
Look at the list...
Boris, Smithy and now this weirdo..
Line them up folks... and pass me an enfield 303
A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace
by John Perry Barlow <barlow@eff.org>
Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.
We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.
Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. Cyberspace does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.
You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.
You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social Contract . This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different.
Cyberspace consists of transactions, relationships, and thought itself, arrayed like a standing wave in the web of our communications. Ours is a world that is both everywhere and nowhere, but it is not where bodies live.
We are creating a world that all may enter without privilege or prejudice accorded by race, economic power, military force, or station of birth.
We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity.
Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are all based on matter, and there is no matter here.
Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge . Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognize is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis. But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose.
In the United States, you have today created a law, the Telecommunications Reform Act, which repudiates your own Constitution and insults the dreams of Jefferson, Washington, Mill, Madison, DeToqueville, and Brandeis. These dreams must now be born anew in us.
You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat.
In China, Germany, France, Russia, Singapore, Italy and the United States, you are trying to ward off the virus of liberty by erecting guard posts at the frontiers of Cyberspace. These may keep out the contagion for a small time, but they will not work in a world that will soon be blanketed in bit-bearing media.
Your increasingly obsolete information industries would perpetuate themselves by proposing laws, in America and elsewhere, that claim to own speech itself throughout the world. These laws would declare ideas to be another industrial product, no more noble than pig iron. In our world, whatever the human mind may create can be reproduced and distributed infinitely at no cost. The global conveyance of thought no longer requires your factories to accomplish.
These increasingly hostile and colonial measures place us in the same position as those previous lovers of freedom and self-determination who had to reject the authorities of distant, uninformed powers. We must declare our virtual selves immune to your sovereignty, even as we continue to consent to your rule over our bodies. We will spread ourselves across the Planet so that no one can arrest our thoughts.
We will create a civilization of the Mind in Cyberspace. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before.
Davos, Switzerland
February 8, 1996
"Reality is what it is, not what you want it to be." Frank Zappa. ----------- "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." Huang Po.----------- "A drowsy line of wasted time bathes my open mind", - Ride.
Great post Iranu. Have not seen that one before
Useless and impossible to achieve - China and Russia wont care at all, servers can just be shifted abroad to avoid regulations
Hand me a gun and i will shoot this **** myself
Welcome to the People's Republic of the UK with Chairman Brown as our most venerable leader.
what planet do these people come from ?
Parents are responsible for their childrens' actions. This nanny state should inform parents that they are responsible for parenting their children, not just giving birth, instead of attempting to control everything. I agree with Agent. Any parent who leaves their child alone on the net is an idiot and further is not fit to be a parent.
Next they'll be banning books. Sheesh, this is as bad the ISP's attempting to ban pages on wikipedia. It will only drive people to view the material on other sites.
So what will they do, maybe get yahoo and google to start censoring results. We've seen that happen already. Maybe they'll copy all information requests on the net, who requested, from what IP and at what time, like in the US. Marry that data with mobile phone location data and they'll know pretty much who was at the pc.
Aw crap that even scares me.I don't think they can stop the flow of data, just watch who accesses what. I need to lie down now, I fell really
OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
WHAT THE ACTUAL BLEEP?!
can they not just get a life?
EVERYTHING gets blamed on the tv and internet.
great post iranu!
Great! Now we can be like China and impose stupid regulations on what we can and can't view!
The comment on the misuse/accidental misuse of the internet by children is just classic scaremongering to get the average clueless-about-the-topic parent on board. Next it'll be 'terrorists' all over again.
I hate to sound cheesy - but it is highly imperative we protect and safeguard the internet from things like this - comepletely pointless, infringing, barely-masked forms of control.
If it happens then we must form a new internets! INTERNETS 2.0!!!
"I Don't mind Lobster. It's like you could, you know... Punch... A lobster. I wouldn't eat anything I couldn't punch"
How can he even begin to believe that it would be feasible to have every scrap of information screened and given a classification? I'm not even going to go into the underlying philosphy he holds as it has manifested itself in the form of grossly uninformed excrement coming out of his mouth.
Anyone watch the IT Crowd with the little black box which was "the internet"?
He's a proper tit.
As bad as the Gov drone who wants all UK citizen net traffic to be recorded, who is that again ? :>.
Basically he probablly wants citizens to experience the internet the way chinese citizens do now.
it will soon be possible to log all traffic, in the future it will be possible to have an A.I authorizing every single bit.
even if you a billion citizens, the computational power is just decades away.
Last edited by Cuffz; 30-12-2008 at 07:53 AM.
As bankrupt as the UK is right now, this is no surprise as it follows its financial lead: this bankruptcy is a moral one. One advice: Emigrate, soon. As they are launching this they are brainwashing the public, getting them used to this and even though this particular effort might or might not fail eventually they'll use 'emergency laws' to put it into place.
Leave. Some of the (former) colonies might welcome you with open arms and sunshine. Really.
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