New Phaeton will be electric!
I have a soft spot for the Phaeton, but I'm not sure it would work as an EV though. Didn't it come with a 3 liter V6 or a 6 liter W12?
Why wouldn't that work? The Phaeton isn't a fast car. My Volt gets the same 0-60 as the 3.2 litre, and the top-end 6 litre (or 5 litre TDI) takes about twice as long as an entry level Model S for 0-60. Getting Phaeton-beating performance out of an EV is a long-solved problem. The only issue for VW to solve is how much battery to shove in there (and therefore what it costs)Originally Posted by PorcupineTime
Improved technology through reducing investment by 1B euros a year. Nice trick if you can pull it off
I'm not sure it matters to me what VW do next. I'll take a lot of convincing to trust them again. They're certainly off my list of possibles for the foreseeable future.
To my mind the Phaeton's role is as a cruiser, crossing anything from cities to countries very easily.
I don't know of any EV that can do it as easily as a banger. As far as I know, they have to stop for a lot longer when recharging vs refueling. Which is a shame, as I'm a big fan of EVs.
Well, the numbers right now using the Model S as a baseline for "good EV batteries", i.e. where VW should be aiming as their minimum:
It's 6.4kg per kWh, and each kWh has a range of about 3 miles on such a big/heavy car. So an 85 kWh battery like the Model S weighs 544 kg, and has a range of 255 miles. Charge time at a Supercharger is 30 seconds per kWh, so 43 minutes from empty. These are all realistic numbers, not hypermiling numbers.
So that's where VW are coming from - with the one caveat that their standard charge method is less than half as fast as Tesla's (50kW CCS). So an hour for a 50 kWh (150 mile) battery. 2 hours for double that.
Maybe they can do better though? Bosch are claiming tech which is 60% more dense than Tesla's current best, so that would chop off a lot of the weight.
As someone who tends to stop for breaks, I don't see huge range as such a benefit, but I realise I'm not everyone.
edit: Phaeton numbers! 90 litre tank, 19 mpg on the 6l W12 and 24 mpg on the 5.0l TDI, so that's an on-paper range of 375 miles on the petrol, 475 on diesel. So for the same range as the W12 they need a 125 kWh battery, weighing 800kg (unless they find denser batteries than Tesla) and taking 2.5 hours to charge (unless they shove more amps through a CCS plug than the currently deployed CCS network supports)
Last edited by directhex; 14-10-2015 at 12:37 PM.
... or more likely for VW they try and buy up Tesla as yet another of their automotive brands, and hit the current Model S with an ugly stick until it looks bland enough that they can call it a VW.
Why did you ever trust VW in the first place?
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read an article at autoguide about VW. it says there, "It is critical that the civil justice system hold companies that engage in such conduct accountable. Not only does this kind of fraud harm consumers and the environment, it unfairly and negatively impacts competition, which is what drives our free market system. People should not stand for it."
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