Fallout 3 for the 360 already pirated...

[kalniel]

Sure, but my point was never that X360 is impervious to piracy (who's ever said that?), just that it'll occur in less numbers than on the PC. And that's enough of a boost to make the PC market (with it's increased costs) less favourable.

[dangel]

Sure, but my point was never that X360 is impervious to piracy (who's ever said that?), just that it'll occur in less numbers than on the PC. And that's enough of a boost to make the PC market (with it's increased costs) less favourable.

Didn't say you did

The numbers thing is a toughy - if 30% of all PC games are pirated, and 25% of all 360 ones are (total 'played' copies) which is the greater number? We'll never really know true figures so we're essentially fumbling around on a forum

[kalniel]

True we're just fumbling. Claims based on patch downloads and hardware to software sales are that it's somewhat higher than 30% on the PC, nearer 90%. Of course that's a fumble as well, but a slightly educated one. At the end of the day that's not what they're looking at - they just look at revenue-costs and whichever system gives the highest number wins. And we get to see those figures (summed across all releases) in financial reports. Last ones I saw showed console games revenue outstripping PC games revenue by quite a margin, except in Germany.

[dangel]

Presumably ignoring the uber cash cows like WOW? Licence to print money n'all that (I just don't get WOW having tried it but that's me)

Still, look at this week's release - band of brothers: highway to certain boredom. And why am I not buying it? Well, because it's yet-another-annoying-wwII-fps game, probably complete with long, dull cutscenes and a barely upgraded engine. And that's ignoring the inherent flaw in WW2 games - the weapons suck: they're so old even the British Army have stopped using them.

[kalniel]

Presumably ignoring the uber cash cows like WOW? Licence to print money n'all that (I just don't get WOW having tried it but that's me)

I was having this conversation elsewhere as well.. one could be facetious and say 'look what happens when you have a DRM system that works'

As far as my point about revenues goes though, I was meaning where you have one publisher releasing on multiple platforms, or ideally the same game on multiple platforms.

[Rob_B]

Funnily this thread has promptd me to look for the 360 hack, knew it was about but never had the inclination to do it. Seems simple if you have the correct chipset on your PC, and want to open your 360 but with the price of second hand games I'm personally not gonna bother.
Original xbox mod was much simpler to do btw, how dare MS make it harder for us?!!

Does anyone know how the publishers are going after console P2P? Seems in the news they only seem to target PC gamers & movies so is this particular DL a 'safer' illegal move at the moment?!
I'm sure the new dash won't play nice with modded consoles though, manufacturers get a little more protection on consoles due to this fact (although Apple may disagree considering the news about them at the moment!)

[Hicks12]

you should of seen crysis warhead, think it had like either 20k or 200k downloaders/seeders and that wasnt all the torrents only 2 . It is pretty sad though, i cant believe it that the 360 version was leaked/hacked befopre the pc which is very strange, not suprised it came from a review copy lol.

Atleast we no its good now.

[itdoesntmatter]

I think the fact is if it a good enough game piracy will not affect revenue.
I for sure will buy it if it's worth it.
Any news on if it is any good?

[Stewart]

Raises an interesting point - do you think the 360s RROD problems are really just a very clever anti piracy feature?

See, they design the console so that there is a good chance it will break down, thus depriving any chiped units of the free repair, thus making a console mod less attractive, thus putting people off, thus less people do it, thus the word thus doesn't seem to make sense anymore because I've used it too many times.

Or maybe it's just not been built very well...

[Hicks12]

I think youve found microsofts plan.... will we expect pc's to follow? where a gfx card can just die more frequently than it already does .
edit: ment hard drives as that would be BAD.

[dangel]

I was having this conversation elsewhere as well.. one could be facetious and say 'look what happens when you have a DRM system that works'

It always has - many people will pick up a game for the multiplayer element and there's no way around it if you want to play on fat, official servers. One could say it's by adding value that you persuade the punters to fork out (and in WOW's case again and again). It sort of brings us full circle - back to the idea where if something is worth buying then people will..

[SmileyUK]

also depends on the cd drive as to how easy it is to mod. The new ones dont have the same luxury, and almost every 360 that gets repaired now gets a new drive.