Upgrading from i7 7700K to Ryzen 7 5800X

MAXIMUM excitement ensues! Upgrade parts have been ordered. I am completely rebuilding my PC around the RTX 3090 in such a way that will maximize the performance of this ultra high end video card.

A big part of my excitement is that this is my first AMD CPU based build in 15 years. I abandoned AMD CPUs when Intel surpassed AMD by a significant margin in gaming performance overall, and haven't looked back until now. Zen 3 feels like the modern day K7 in many ways, taking the fight right to Intel's doorstep and taking the crown back with style. I am hardware brand agnostic and will buy whatever brand suits my needs. AMD, Intel, Nvidia, I don't care. Gimme the fastest performance of the features I want, that is all that matters.

AMD Ryzen 5000 series chips have been as scarce as any other new, advanced toys launched at the end of last year and only this week have been showing up in stock for MSRP. And I put the snag on the premium (in my eyes) chip of the bunch. Not the very highest end one, but the most desirable choice in my book, the Ryzen 7 5800X. With it's single CCX of 8 cores not having to talk to another CCX, it's nice and simple yet brutally fast. I did really consider the 5900 and 5950, but didn't feel like they would contribute anything at all to gaming that I couldn't already get from 5800X. While I do some modding content creation, and the extra vram of 3090 helps with texture editing, I don't need that many CPU cores and wouldn't see much benefit from them in what I'm doing.

The list of parts incoming to arrive next Tuesday are as follows:

Ryzen 7 5800X 8 core CPU
Asus TUF X570 Plus (WiFi built in to motherboard version)
Corsair MP600 PCIe 4.0 M.2 500Gb
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro DDR4 3200 (4x8Gb)
Corsair H100i Elite Capellix AIO cooler

Essentially this guts my current machine, replacing the 4 year old Core i7 7700K, 32Gb Corsair Vengeance (same speed, worse timings than replacement ram), Asus TUF Z270 Mark 1, Samsung 960 Pro M.2 500Gb PCIe 3.0, and EVGA CLC240 AIO. The PNY RTX 3090 Revel XLR8 will carry over to the new build, as well as the Corsair Carbide 400C, Corsair HX850i Platinum will all be staying. My existing Corsair ML120 RGB fans will also carry over, but be connected to the new controller that comes with the H100i Elite Capellix since it's Corsair's premium controller.

EXCITED!

https://i.imgur.com/7vOrsWh.jpg

Corsair RAM isn't ideal as it can be a mixture of either Samsung,Hynix or Micron and multiple types of memory ICs. Some kits apparently will have better memory ICs,but TBH I would certainly see if the older kit you use currently has better memory ICs. Personally I would have looked at the Crucial Ballistix kits as Crucial said they use Micron E-die which works quite well with Zen2 and Zen3(same memory controller).

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Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH

Corsair RAM isn't ideal as it can be a mixture of either Samsung,Hynix or Micron and multiple types of memory ICs. Some kits apparently will have better memory ICs,but TBH I would certainly see if the older kit you use currently has better memory ICs. Personally I would have looked at the Crucial Ballistix kits as Crucial said they use Micron E-die which works quite well with Zen2 and Zen3(same memory controller).

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I just wasn't that worried about it as with timings so close between the old set and new set, the final performance equation shouldn't matter so much and equal out nicely. The main thing though is keeping the old ram with the old setup for another build. And honestly, Corsair has never, ever done me wrong. I've never felt short changed in any game, benchmark, or application due to Corsair memory performance. I don't expect to feel so now.

Also, not to be rude, but it's poor form to come back when somebody says "I'm excited that I bought this..." with "Personally, I wouldn't have done that" as a response. I do tend to question the motivation for that kind of behavior. You are free to respond how you like, but you are not free from the consequences of showing poor manners, the consequences being having it pointed out. Carry on!

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Originally Posted by moshpit

Also, not to be rude, but it's poor form to come back when somebody says "I'm excited that I bought this..." with "Personally, I wouldn't have done that" as a response. I do tend to question the motivation for that kind of behavior. You are free to respond how you like, but you are not free from the consequences of showing poor manners, the consequences being having it pointed out. Carry on!

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Um.... what did you post this in the forum for then? Did you want people to admire you for the choices you made and reaffirm your tech-choosing skills? This isn't like eating out at a restaurant where it's genuinely poor form to tell someone their meal doesn't look very nice, this is a tech forum, where maybe you still have the chance to change your purchases, and other people than you might get the benefit of finding out that corsair ram is suboptimal. Not to mention the fact that cat-the-fifth is not posting for his own benefit, he's extremely knowledgable about tech and effectively donating his expert feedback.

Your excitement being dulled somewhat by his feedback isn't really a consideration. He's not criticizing you. Look at how many times he's been thanked in this forum. If you're questioning the motivation for that kind of behaviour, perhaps look a bit deeper, and tell us what you actually see. Personally, I tend to question the motivation for coming onto a forum, sharing your build, and then reacting badly when someone gives you feedback.

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Originally Posted by wazzickle

Um.... what did you post this in the forum for then? Did you want people to admire you for the choices you made and reaffirm your tech-choosing skills? This isn't like eating out at a restaurant where it's genuinely poor form to tell someone their meal doesn't look very nice, this is a tech forum, where maybe you still have the chance to change your purchases, and other people than you might get the benefit of finding out that corsair ram is suboptimal. Not to mention the fact that cat-the-fifth is not posting for his own benefit, he's extremely knowledgable about tech and effectively donating his expert feedback.

Your excitement being dulled somewhat by his feedback isn't really a consideration. He's not criticizing you. Look at how many times he's been thanked in this forum. If you're questioning the motivation for that kind of behaviour, perhaps look a bit deeper, and tell us what you actually see. Personally, I tend to question the motivation for coming onto a forum, sharing your build, and then reacting badly when someone gives you feedback.

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What benefit are you talking about? I bought the stuff already, NOTHING he said helps me. Wow. I wasn't looking for suggestions of what I need to return and buy new nor did I imply I needed any. Since you are too ignorant to guess what my intention was and instead assigned your own guess, let me enlighten you. I was only posting to see if there's any suggestions for what to do with what I just bought, relevant settings I should know about, bugs, tricks for the specific models, etc... not go out and buy Crucial or what the hell ever other brand your biased for. Spend yer own damned money how you want, don't tell me after I spent mine to spend more.

And YES, I question telling somebody to go buy more of what they already have, in this case ram. Crucial? WHAT good does that suggestion do me now? The opening post clearly says I bought it already... Nothing suggested helps me in any way possible other than to act superior over a 2% performance difference AT BEST! You can go give your buddy a handjob in private, no need to do it here. It was poor form, and your buddy tactics are as well. Nothing you said was relevant.

Edit: Lastly, starting any post with "Ummmm" sounds slow witted, which was supported by the rest of your suppositions.

Edit: There was one part that had a TINY bit of relevance from his suggestion, and that was compare the new and old set's chips, though the timings already say that was unnecessary since no overclocking will be occurring and none was implied, ever. These will run at XMP setting. When timings and speeds match up, performance should be the same. This ONE piece of advice didn't require buying anything new for a MEASLY 2% at best difference... and itself was overall meaningless since performance is parity in this case, and never intended to change. Why tell me to worry about something that doesn't help? And it really doesn't... Measure an amount over 5% in gaming and we'll talk, otherwise take yer trolling elsewhere.

Edit 3: Now... Are you gonna give me any input on what I bought, or gonna tell me I need to buy something else instead? Cause you can shove THOSE suggestions where the sun doesn't shine. I bought what I bought and I'm happy with it. Tell me ideas on how to get the most out of what I bought and I'm all ears. Otherwise, take it elsewhere. You get no appreciation for useless and costly "suggestions" that don't actually help and only crow about theoretical differences if I go buy something else. I never asked for purchasing suggestions, nor do I want them.

I don't think anyone was trolling you or being out of line, when I started reading your original post I thought it was a list of things you were thinking of getting and at the point was going to make a comment myself, only reading further did I notice you had already bought the parts. It was probably a genuine oversight rather than suggesting you send parts back.

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I don't think anyone was trolling you or being out of line, when I started reading your original post I thought it was a list of things you were thinking of getting and at the point was going to make a comment myself, only reading further did I notice you had already bought the parts. It was probably a genuine oversight rather than suggesting you send parts back.

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If an honest oversight, no biggy. Contextually, you can see why I took at as telling me to go buy something else... NOT good form. I am all ears for anything suggesting how to get the most out of what I just bought, but nowhere did I ask or imply needing help picking my parts.

I was kinda expecting suggestions like what software like Core Optimizer or whatever to use with AMD Ryzen, or maybe system level tweaks that go with X570... useful stuff to somebody who just bought this list of stuff.

I see that as a reasonable expectation to post about. Again, I CLEARLY said I'm new to AMD and haven't built one in 15 years. Tweaks and tricks have to have changed. I hoped to hear some of those... instead I get told to buy something else. Screw that, I'm happy with what I bought. Suggest some tweaks to what I have or mods or even settings... don't tell me what to buy when it's already on the way and if I cared about that 2% performance difference, I would have not bought RGB ram AT ALL!!!!! Honestly... I'm not a noob, nor appreciate being treated like one when my choices are rock solid. NONE of these choices are the VERY fastest, they are what I balanced out on my budget and am looking forward to.

I have no idea what Ryzen tweakers there are out there. After the reaction here, clearly I won't find that out here.

Edit: Other things that COULD have been more helpful.. driver resources for AMD based systems or utilities focused on AMD chipsets or even PCIe 4.0 settings I might need to watch out for before booting up first time. What kind of bios tweaks need be considered or is it just run mostly defaults? Do any of the normal tweaks I use on my Intel system have similar functions in an AMD system? These seemingly obvious things, at least from the WORDING OF MY POST!

Context. I said I bought the stuff. I said I'm new to AMD. 15 years since my last AMD CPU. Context matters.

"Upgrade parts have been ordered. I am completely rebuilding my PC around the RTX 3090 in such a way that will maximize the performance of this ultra high end video card."

My opening sentences. First statement of already purchased.

"And I put the snag on the premium (in my eyes) chip of the bunch."

Second statement of already purchased.

"The list of parts incoming to arrive next Tuesday are as follows:"

Third statement of already purchased.

"Essentially this guts my current machine"

Forth statement, but only implying that parts are already purchased.

I had hoped that by making my newness to AMD builds clear in the second paragraph that I was looking for suggestions on how that will be different in setup from the Intel machines that by implication of the 15 years statement, has been my only experience recently. This doesn't seem to me an unfair expectation, though maybe I just need to be blunt and say "HEY! I BOUGHT THINGS! HOW I MAKE THINGS I ALREADY HAVE RUN GOOD?" Caveman speak seems appropriate after all the times I said this stuff is on it's way to me...

Edit: I must posit that a small part of the mistake in assuming that putting that much information out there was enough and people just jump to answering however they like without bothering to really read the post. I might have titled it better, in hindsight, as "Need suggestions for AMD convert from Intel" or some such, I guess. I assumed I gave enough info including 4 mentions of the purchase and the time frame since my last build of this type. In the future, I will be more direct and say "FELLOW CAVEMAN, NEED HELP WITH STRANGE NEW CPU. WHAT MAKE CPU RUN GOOD?"

Ok, you are repeating yourself, I understand what you are saying but you seem to be taking people's advice the wrong way. No one is saying you are a noob or even implying it. One person said one thing about the memory, that was all in regards to your build.

Personally my AMD build didn't require any real configuration, just turned on XMP for the memory and everything else was pretty much good to go from the off. Apart from the virtualization, thats normally turned off by default for amd, no idea why. And its under an option called VT-x or AMD-V or possibly SVM. Something to think about if you are going to be running any VM's

Grab the newest drivers from the motherboard manufacturer site and everything else will be updated through windows, assuming you are using windows. There are things like Ryzen master if you want to fine tune the processor

And even though it should be loaded with the drivers install the AMD Ryzen power plan

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Ok, you are repeating yourself, I understand what you are saying but you seem to be taking people's advice the wrong way. No one is saying you are a noob or even implying it. One person said one thing about the memory, that was all in regards to your build.

Personally my AMD build didn't require any real configuration, just turned on XMP for the memory and everything else was pretty much good to go from the off. Apart from the virtualization, thats normally turned off by default for amd, no idea why. And its under an option called VT-x or AMD-V or possibly SVM. Something to think about if you are going to be running any VM's

Grab the newest drivers from the motherboard manufacturer site and everything else will be updated through windows, assuming you are using windows. There are things like Ryzen master if you want to fine tune the processor

And even though it should be loaded with the drivers install the AMD Ryzen power plan

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My irritation wouldn't be at this level if it wasn't for the follow up insults from wazzickle which did it's best to discredit my entire reason for posting with trollish assumptions. My assumption of being trolled here is not imagined. Again, I stand by my point, it was bad form and the buddy tactics were too.

Oh, and thank you for some suggestions :P

I won't rudely ignore those, those are exactly what I'm seeking, though most of those I have in hand. What about apps like Core Optimizer or whatever? Are there not Ryzen specific programs for tweaking now?

Ryzen Master is probably what you are looking for to tweak the processor but by and large things like core optimizer or the amd equivalent really not needed much these days. Others may have a different view but for me it was pretty much plug and play.

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Originally Posted by Jonj1611

Ryzen Master is probably what you are looking for to tweak the processor but by and large things like core optimizer or the amd equivalent really not needed much these days. Others may have a different view but for me it was pretty much plug and play.

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Got it. Headed out to read up on it now, thank you!

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Originally Posted by moshpit

Forth statement

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Fourth, not forth

Moshpit please dont take on that sort of attitude. Some of the members here have been actively contributing and offering excellent advice for many years, and Cat is one of them.

If you post "Oh look what Im buying", you should expect at least *some* comment, either congratulating, commiserating or just offering a different viewpoint. It's a tech forum, that's what happens here, and in just about every other tech forum I am aware of.

If you don't want any advice or criticism, please don't post any "look what I am buying" type posts :)

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Originally Posted by moshpit

I just wasn't that worried about it as with timings so close between the old set and new set, the final performance equation shouldn't matter so much and equal out nicely. The main thing though is keeping the old ram with the old setup for another build. And honestly, Corsair has never, ever done me wrong. I've never felt short changed in any game, benchmark, or application due to Corsair memory performance. I don't expect to feel so now.

Also, not to be rude, but it's poor form to come back when somebody says "I'm excited that I bought this..." with "Personally, I wouldn't have done that" as a response. I do tend to question the motivation for that kind of behavior. You are free to respond how you like, but you are not free from the consequences of showing poor manners, the consequences being having it pointed out. Carry on!

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Because Corsair use any kind of memory ICs they get in stock.So you end up with say their Vengence line with 3 different revisions,each corresponding to each of the main suppliers - Samsung,Micron and Hynix. They have a tendency to chop and change memory IC types so you can't go by what reviews tell you. If you are lucky you can get A-class memory ICs,or something not so good. Its a lottery,so you can luck out or not. So I hope you have got something decent.

Its also meant people who bought one kit of the same Corsair RAM,and then decided to double their RAM with the same kit,ended up with mismatched kits(different memory ICs). Many here had that problem with Corsair themselves and Ryzen- and you yourself said you were on Intel. Intel has historically had far more forgiving memory controllers. There are loads and loads of posts on here WRT to Ryzen and memory. This is coming off the last few years of people testing these things - its no point shooting the messenger and blaming me for how AMD made Zen CPUs.

I literally only have bought Corsair SFX PSUs for the last couple of years,so not sure what you are saying about being "biased" to Crucial. Crucial is owned by Micron,and said certain lines only had their best Micron ICs such as E-die,and these have been the go to buys for Ryzen builds when you can get them. Micron is one of the main DRAM makers in the world.

Zen2 and Zen3 are very finicky with DRAM IC type if you want tighter timings,and Zen scales well with tighter timings and subtimings. This is down to the way the Infinity Fabric,memory controller,etc all interact with each other. The Zen2/Zen3 memory controller is a separate chip to the cores,so relies on the Infinity Fabric to communicate with the core die. So not only is speed important,but tighter timings and subtimings. The Infinity Fabric and DRAM speed are tied with each other.

This is the layout for Zen2 - Zen3 only moves to a single 8 core CCX(not the pair shown),but the way the different dies communicate is the same.

https://hexus.net/media/uploaded/201...8ddc560fc9.PNG

The part which says 32B/cycle is the Infinity Fabric link.

The monolithic ring bus Intel CPUs don't care as much as AMD because of the way AMD attaches everything to the Infinity Fabric,and moved to chiplets. AMD nicely released a slide for Zen2.

https://i.imgur.com/UYcHYbe.png

3600C16 matches the stock timings of Samsung E-die and Micron E-die kits,which implies AMD was pointing to those kits IMHO.

The slide for Zen3(Ryzen 5000) ups the ante a bit.

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2020/10...g-1536x811.jpg

I should know when I had to resort to getting something outside what I wanted due to the shortages of some RAM kits last year. I ended up with Hynix CJR which even with tuning is slightly worse than Micron E-die at stock,which will tune even better with specific subtimings,and this was a kit with a 50:50 chance of getting Hynix CJR or Micron E-die. My previous B-die kit could hold better timings(but was only 16GB).

Samsung B-die and Micron E-die are the best in terms of Zen memory tuning so far,which is far more important than for Intel which is more plug and play. They both use the same I/O die,meaning they show similar scaling.

I literally told you to check your older RAM to see if it has one of the better DRAM IC types and you are getting annoyed with me! For example Samsung B-die is much harder to get now than a few years ago. This will usually tell you what the IC is:
http://www.softnology.biz/files.html

This application is used by many Ryzen owners to calculate optimised timings(includes ability to import the data from Thaiphoon Burner):
https://www.techpowerup.com/download...am-calculator/

That Ryzen owners optimized timings thing! Thank you! Excellent help!

And really, I cannot change the ram out as the deal I got on it was a one day sale. I just don't have any options in it's price range that are better, and the deal was particularly killer.

HOWEVER, that Ryzen timings optimizer calculator will be of IMMENSE help!

The reason it's even a sore subject is it seems EVERYBODY and their dog wants to tell me what they think I should have bought instead of just giving me hints on getting the most out of what I have. And it's bullcrap as I am perfectly happy with what I bought and know exactly how it fits in the budget AND specs I intend for.

For one, 4x8Gb was a must. All slots full. Second RGB, specifically Corsair controlled. I am invested in Corsair RGB throughout my system, other brands are not welcome suggestions as they conflict with my intent. Telling people to stop telling me what to buy got very annoying.

I don't want advice on what to buy. I WOULD like advice on how to get the most out of what -I- chose to put in my build. I will learn my own lessons my own way and do not see hardware purchasing advice to be helpful at all. I never ask for it unless I am sure I need that help, and then I will ask VERY directly "Hey, what should I get?". On three different forums now, people's first reaction is "Buy something else!" as if that's an option. It's not. Nor is it welcome at all. In fact it's irrelevant as I see no problem at all with the same ram I've seen in multiple review platforms on major web sites.

If I wanted the absolute fastest of everything, I wouldn't be considering RGB compatibility elements as a necessary component of the purchase, right? The fastest ram has no RGB. The fastest M.2 drive has no RGB. I would say the fastest GPUs, but that is no longer true as RGB has invaded everything video card related now. I didn't pick parts PURELY for being very fast, though they ARE that. NOBODY yet has tried to tell me this build will be slower than normal, or substandard in any way. They try to push higher cost, higher performance parts on me that I cannot afford, my budget is played out. The one day deal on ram is unrepeatable for now, until that sale comes back or something better comes along. I have no intention of waiting that long for next to no reason.

Honestly, that is a fair statement, I think.

Correct me if this statement is untrue as I wonder what people think to make constant push for me to pick different hardware than I personally already picked:

"The parts in this list will perform exactly average for this set of hardware. It will not be the top of the charts for this level of spec, but it will not be the worst either. It is exactly average for it's specs."

True or false?

You might be the most unlikeable person I've ever encountered on an internet forum. God only help your family and colleagues.

I note that the image you posted in your OP shows that you still have the option of cancelling or changing your order.

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Originally Posted by wazzickle

You might be the most unlikeable person I've ever encountered on an internet forum. God only help your family and colleagues.

I note that the image you posted in your OP shows that you still have the option of cancelling or changing your order.

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Yeah, but that's my whole point, WHY do you think you have the right to tell me to do so? I don't give a crap what you think I should buy. I never asked for that advice.

Unlikable? How unlikable is unsolicited and useless advice? You cannot beat the price I got on a one day sale with ANY suggestion you make. Changing ram was NEVER on the menu. Why do you think you have the right to insist otherwise? This is NOT your build, not your money. I never asked for ram help, nor do I want any. HOW difficult is that for you to comprehend?

Nothing in my order needs changing. It's fine as is. That's the part that floors me, you thinking I'm unlikable because I won't bend to YOUR demand of what I should put in my computer. Who are you to demand anything of my build? Or act like I have to obey or be disliked? That's ridiculous.

Also, my family and colleagues respect me and actually treat me with that respect to not second guess my build choices unnecessarily. What do you hope to gain for me by making me jump through hoops? 10% I call BS if you think you will gain that much in the same price range I already paid.

Final memory price on one day sale + 15 dollars off deal = 169.99 for 32Gb of 3200mhz with RGB and 4x8Gb.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT SETUP? Nothing in that deal is needing of change. I love the deal! I WAS excited about my choices until people like you WHINED and cried about demanding I build with YOUR choice of hardware... who the hell do you think you are?

And EVERY ignorant suggestion to "Cancel the order" doesn't take into account the 48 hour wait for the money to go back to my account... all the sales I caught will be gone. Every bit of extra value I managed to wring out in price, YOU would make me throw away to satisfy your own ego. WHY??? What is in this for you, wazzicle, other than "proving your right" when there is no wrong here to be proven! The ram I chose is PERFECTLY FINE. You cannot tell me it will run substandard. That would be A LIE!

It will just not run as fast as BETTER than standard, but it will certainly meet the standards that a 5800X should be running at. Is that so hard to understand, or you just gonna stick to your guns and demand I bend to your will like all the other fools have so far? You are wasting yours and my time. The ram choice is not up for debate. It's done and anybody telling me to waste my time for less than 10% performance OR trying to force more money out of me can suck my left nut.

Ok I think that will do. People tried to help and you have been incredibly rude to them. I wish you well on your new build but can no longer stand by with your abusive attitude toward fellow members.

Thanks Jon, I was about to do it.... Thanks for your patience guys, esp Cat :)