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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Disgusting prices for motherboards.
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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonj1611 View Post
    Disgusting prices for motherboards.
    You certainly don't want to be getting at ITX board right now. Even the one uATX board that Scan list is stupidly expensive rather than the cheap option.

    But yeah, I expect things like 10GbE for those prices not 2.5GbE

    Hopefully things will settle once B650 boards start turning up.

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Certainly hope so, motherboards used to be fairly cheap or at least reasonable, now it seems an upwards trend
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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    And that's a today only deal @ £350

    Not even 1x PCIe 5.0 slot and I wouldn't expect to see a 3.0 slot in the mix either

    Pretty poor. Just have to vote with our wallets .

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by AGTDenton View Post
    And that's a today only deal @ £350

    Not even 1x PCIe 5.0 slot and I wouldn't expect to see a 3.0 slot in the mix either

    Pretty poor. Just have to vote with our wallets .
    Yeah, that's an X670 board not an X670E so no PCIe5

    You can pre-order cheaper boards that are X670E though. For a "mere" £320 you can be waiting for an ASUS X670E TUF Gaming: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Co...NG-X670E-PLUS/

    The PCIe3 thing is probably down to chipset. Looks like you get options on what to do with some of the serdes lanes out of the chips, and just how many SATA ports to most people need these days?

    I think 4 SATA ports and an extra PCIe 3.0 NVMe slot seems a decent mix tbh given those options. I've just had an SDI video recorder card turn up which is 4 lanes of PCIe 2, so there is some call for these old standard still.

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Perhaps our exchange rate is hurting us atm
    I just had a bill for services I use in dollars, was $29.99, paid through paypal and paid £29.33 :/
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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    2 RDNA2 CU2s means it should have ray tracing, right? Very slow ray tracing, but a minor improvement over software RT on 2CUs worth of GPGPU compute. I'm not sure if it'll RT faster than the spare CPU cores on the 7950X though

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    2 RDNA2 CU2s means it should have ray tracing, right? Very slow ray tracing, but a minor improvement over software RT on 2CUs worth of GPGPU compute. I'm not sure if it'll RT faster than the spare CPU cores on the 7950X though
    I read somewhere that it does, you are quite right.

    Could make for some pretty slideshows

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    It also looks like the 170W TDP is pretty pointless, but thankfully you can turn it down. At 65W that 16 core chips looks damned impressive:
    I take that as meaning that for servers, Intel are still in huge trouble!

    What Zen4 can do in mobile when running near the process's perf/watt optimum should be impressive too.

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    I take that as meaning that for servers, Intel are still in huge trouble!

    What Zen4 can do in mobile when running near the process's perf/watt optimum should be impressive too.
    It also says to me that if AMD wanted to they could fit 32 core/64 threads on AM5 with minimal change to full load base clocks. I assume that is really what the 170W max platform TDP is for, just not yet in the 7000 series but they *could* do it (possibly with a change to the IO controller if it isn't already designed to handle 4 compute die.

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Tom on a recent Moores Law Is Dead video says that so far the Zen 4 CPUs aren't selling very well. Given the price of motherboards right now, I can't say I'm surprised.

    A quick look on Amazon's best seller list backs this up: https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sell...rs_2_428655031

    Best selling 7000 series is the 7950X, followed by the 7900X. You have to go to page two to find the 7600X it's so far back. That makes sense, if you are spending £400 up on a motherboard, you won't drop a 6 core on there.

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    A couple of days ago Gibbo on OCUK said the best seller was the 7950x with "over 200 units sold", that really doesn't seem like a lot! I'm sure people are waiting for 13th gen before jumping in.

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_B View Post
    A couple of days ago Gibbo on OCUK said the best seller was the 7950x with "over 200 units sold", that really doesn't seem like a lot! I'm sure people are waiting for 13th gen before jumping in.
    The MLID video mentioned that with 5000 series release some American stores had lines outside in the morning waiting for release. Nothing for this release, and a handful of people turning up to buy.

    The CPUs don't seem badly priced, but until B650 boards are out it makes for a really expensive upgrade

    On the flip side, yesterday Amazon were selling the 5950X for £499 which will be why they sold out! The 5000 series is quite well priced right now. I was tempted by a £399 5900X, but it's been an expensive month already

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    The MLID video mentioned that with 5000 series release some American stores had lines outside in the morning waiting for release. Nothing for this release, and a handful of people turning up to buy.

    The CPUs don't seem badly priced, but until B650 boards are out it makes for a really expensive upgrade

    On the flip side, yesterday Amazon were selling the 5950X for £499 which will be why they sold out! The 5000 series is quite well priced right now. I was tempted by a £399 5900X, but it's been an expensive month already

    New platform, PCIe 5.0 traces, DDR5 all add up. AMD could always dig into their pockets and do some Intel-like contra revenue to get the platform out there but I doubt their shareholders would like that. Zen4 + DDR4 on AM4 might be possible if they could squeeze everything into 500 fewer pins but that will take a while.

    Seems currently AMD, the motherboard OEMs, and the memory vendors are all increasing their margins even at the expense of volume. Longer term I guess it all depends on how wafers availability is like. For servers, Zen4 should sell really well, after that? Let's just hope that either AMD went crazy and secured lots of wafers, or that Sony / Microsoft are not going to pay for a 5nm port anytime soon. Although we'd hope that even RDNA3 would get priority over the consoles this time.

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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    New platform, PCIe 5.0 traces, DDR5 all add up. AMD could always dig into their pockets and do some Intel-like contra revenue to get the platform out there but I doubt their shareholders would like that. Zen4 + DDR4 on AM4 might be possible if they could squeeze everything into 500 fewer pins but that will take a while.

    Seems currently AMD, the motherboard OEMs, and the memory vendors are all increasing their margins even at the expense of volume. Longer term I guess it all depends on how wafers availability is like. For servers, Zen4 should sell really well, after that? Let's just hope that either AMD went crazy and secured lots of wafers, or that Sony / Microsoft are not going to pay for a 5nm port anytime soon. Although we'd hope that even RDNA3 would get priority over the consoles this time.
    Nobody I know is interested in these overpriced releases from Nvidia,AMD and Intel. That includes those who work in areas of science,computing,etc.

    The reality is these companies have gotten greedy,though consumer debt related growth and pandemic related growth. During the pandemic lots of people were stuck at home,and didn't spend on normal social activities so had spare money,plus you had the mining craze and work from home. So lots of people pulled purchases forward like most people I know. Maybe paid more than they should have.Lots of companies did the same too.


    But most people are not enthusiasts(or hardcore PCMR gamers) so those purchases won't be replaced for years.

    Now interested rates are going up,buying electronics on credit is going to get more expensive. With more inflation and higher interest rates throughout Europe and the US,people will have less money to spend. Also as the world opens up,people will want to spend on other hobbies,etc - the gaming industry is starting to see decreasing revenue. Even businesses might be thinking to pare down IT budgets and get some extra usage out of existing hardware.

    The economic problems in Europe are going to cause big problems in terms of personal PC and gaming sales over the next year. Russia is excluded from these markets too. China has its own economic problems and is cracking down on gaming.

    We saw what happened with Nvidia pricing Turing,right after a mining craze because they thought the pricing would stick and wanted to shift all their older stock at RRPs. Eventually they had to relaunch the whole line-up with better value products.

    So what you are seeing,is Nvidia,AMD and Intel thinking the price increases over the last 2 years as something that is not an exceptional circumstance but a new norm. They are quietly trying to sell off all their old stock at RRP without the need for deep discounting.

    Even Apple is now reporting lower profits, and an iPhone is more of an everyday useful electronic item than a bit faster PC for most people.

    Basically the tech industry has not realised the extent of the economic problems that are approaching. They should be looking to reduce net margins,not increase them to stimulate more sales.

    It looks like they are in the same fantasy land as Trussonomics.

    My view is unless you really need a new PC right now,just to ignore all these overpriced products and in a year or two lets see what happens to the USD prices.
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    Re: The 7950X has an IGPU!

    Quote Originally Posted by AGTDenton View Post
    Here's some pricing directly from AMD.

    https://www.amd.com/en/direct-buy/gb

    7950X = £777.44
    7900X = £610.61
    7700X = £443.77
    7600X = £332.56
    Prices have fallen a little on AMDs own website since previous post.
    This won't be anywhere near enough based on the latest Intel benchmarks, however.

    7950X = £746.27
    7900X = £586.12
    7700X = £425.98
    7600X = £319.21

    The likes of Scan are listing the CPUs as more expensive than my original post, but AMDs shop is out of stock, where as Scan are in stock...

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