Intel 13 Series Announced

[AGTDenton]

So here we go, Intel responds to AMDs Ryzen 7000 series

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[Rob_B]

Roll on the 13600 vs 7600x comparisons!

[AGTDenton]

Intel accidentally shows off an unannounced 32 core Raptor Lake CPU

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/in...layed-on-wafer

[AGTDenton]

The i9 13900k has beaten both the 12900k and the Ryzen 7950x at overclocking to 8.2ghz

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/co...00-in-the-dust

[Saracen999]

Dunno about anybody else but the way I feel about processor Ghz levels is pretty much how I feel about how many CCs (or Litres) my car engine has .... which is not at all. It's about the total experience. I don't want some 12 litre engine 'cos it's more suited to a truck and probably drives like one with all that weight, but I don't want a tiny little screamer of an engine either, 'cos I don't want to drive about with earplugs to avoid a raging headache. Then, do I want high performance or max fuel mileage .... or a blend?

And so on.

Processor Ghz does nothing for me these days, and I kinda feel it's been pretty irrelevant for a long time. Probably a decade or more, at least. Like most of us, I had my days of faffing about overclocking, lapping, messing with voltages and messing with tracks on CPUs to unlock this or that. In those days, it was fun, and the effect was often dramatic. I used to tune my car engine in the past, too. Not any more though.

I'm not knocking 13th Gen with that. Just, it's not a metric I care about, though part of me looks back on the days when things were that simple with some nostalgia.

For me, and I know this isn't a widely held view (though I'm not alone) 13th Gen is ruled out of consideration (though I flirted with the idea briefly) because it (and 12th Gen, for that matter) really require (*) Win 11, and unfortunately, there are things about W11 I REALLY don't like. For instance, as long as the option is open to me, I want my menu bar at the top, dropping down, and while not my only reservation, that is one I'm not compromising on until/unless I have absolutely no option. And, I don't want to have to run third party UI changers to do it.

Which means, personally, even 12th Gen is a non-starter for me let alone 13thG.

It's also why I was being very careful to ensure W11 wasn't either mandatory, or required for effective performance, on AMD before deciding 5000 or 7000. I still haven't finally decided, though right now it's more about what coolers I can use, like Noctua NH-D15, without having to wait until Noctua come up with a compatible mounting method. If you want to know what I'm on about and haven't seen it, Jayz did a video a few days ago.

So anyway, AMD it is, and it's 5000 v 7000 for me, so what Intel do or don't do in Ghz is academic for me. Still, the Ghz they reach isn't, by itself at least, a metric I care about. A well-designed and tuned 3 litre engine can easily outperform, in most ways, a poorly designed lump of twice the size. And be much more refined about how it does it.





(*) Note - As I undestand it, you can run 12th Gen on Win10, but it'll be seriously compromised in performance. Which seems pretty pointless except maybe in some very specific edge cases).

[AGTDenton]

Completely agree, for me the last CPU where GHz mattered was the PIII. My first and last overclock with the trusty Abit BX-133 RAID

GN pretty much sums it all up at the beginning.

[DanceswithUnix]

Processor Ghz does nothing for me these days, and I kinda feel it's been pretty irrelevant for a long time. Probably a decade or more, at least.

My 4MHz Z80A is faster than your 1MHz 6502!
Yeah, the argument isn't new

A well-designed and tuned 3 litre engine can easily outperform, in most ways, a poorly designed lump of twice the size. And be much more refined about how it does it.

Engine rev limit is a better match to GHz, and that doesn't change with engine capacity (unless the engine designer is incompetent or going on the cheap). More pistons is kind of like more cores, but IC engines with fewer than 6 cylinders are not always generating power and rely on stored energy in the flywheel, giving engines with lots of cylinders a smoother feel. I find in Windows, anything with fewer than 4 threads these days is similarly lumpy. But then in the same way that you don't have to rev a revvy engine, and cylinders can be switched off in modern engines and moderns CPU can pull all sorts of tricks so you can have a screaming fast CPU that doesn't chew power all the time.

Not that good engines actually sell many cars. The Alfa 2.9 litre V6 seems loved by everyone who drives it. It turns off half the cylinders when pootling down the motorway to become an economical 1.5l 3 cylinder engine, but responsively switches to a 500BHP growly monster with a shove of the loud pedal. Doesn't mean anyone actually buys them though, they just stay in their BMW comfort zone.

[Saracen999]

My 4MHz Z80A is faster than your 1MHz 6502!
Yeah, the argument isn't new

Weeeell, being an awkward git, I had (in fact, wrong tense, still have) a Z80 board in my 6502 Apple. Needed it for CP/M.

But I take your point.

...

Not that good engines actually sell many cars. The Alfa 2.9 litre V6 seems loved by everyone who drives it. It turns off half the cylinders when pootling down the motorway to become an economical 1.5l 3 cylinder engine, but responsively switches to a 500BHP growly monster with a shove of the loud pedal. Doesn't mean anyone actually buys them though, they just stay in their BMW comfort zone.

Awkward git mode again ...

The engine was part of what sold me on my M3. I mean, it's pretty quiet when "pootling about" but, judicious application of the loud pedal and that turns into a snarl right quick.

But I said "part" of what sold me. It was more than that. A long list of things, in fact, ranging from a VERY big BMW dealer about a mile down the road, to build quality, comfort, reputation on reliability, personal experience, etc. With Alfa, my "experience" was largely 3rd hand (a couple of friends) but, oh were they ever trouble?

That also kinda brings me back to engines. Not so much the one you mentioned but a lot of smaller ones were, well, wonderful when working properly. Great handling, too. But did I say "when"? I meant, if. The M3 engine is to me anyway, somewhat split personality - even the wife doesn't mind driving it but stays off of too much 'loud' .... and it behaves like a pet kitten, which suits her. But prod the go pedal and you get the pee'd off tiger. The rest of the car kinda matches - easy going most of the time but a driver's car when needed. Those Alfa's that I've driven were definitely oriented towards drivers.

There's a reason for staying BMW (or similar). It depends what you want from a car. That (and cost, not just to buy but to run), ultimately, is what put me off the likes of Ferrari, 911 Turbo etc - tried all sorts but I wanted something that was capable of multiple roles, multiple personalities, because I didn't want (and couldn't afford) a whole fleet.

Hmmm. Gone a bit off-topic there.

[Ttaskmaster]

Awkward git mode again ...

Is this awkward git mode also the reason you haven't cleared out yer PM folder lately?
I keep getting error messages.

[Saracen999]

Is this awkward git mode also the reason you haven't cleared out yer PM folder lately?
I keep getting error messages.

No. Just not been on much for a few days. Typically just a few mins late at night. Will try to get to it tomorrow (well, today, technically).

[AGTDenton]

Quite the blow to AMD! The once budget king has lost it's crown.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I made a big review thread over on the OcUK:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/th...read.18960763/

I also compiled a lot of non-gaming benchmarks:
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/th...#post-35946657

The Core i5 13600K beats the Ryzen 5 7600X and matches or beats the Ryzen 7 7700X and the Ryzen 9 5900X in many cases.