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[Agent]

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...7723518&page=1

the link is to one many post i have recently seen on overclocker's ridculing/ anti islamic/muslim view's.i am rather surprised that this computer supplier doesn't pose restrition on the ridule these people and offense they cause,

From a business point of view, it is a bit strange yes. But overclockers have made it clean many many times that the business and the forums are separate.

[ think in future i will avoid overclocker and will tell my friend also to avoid this computer supplier who clearly welcome's abuse/ridcule.

Without wanting to play devils advocate here…
Or perhaps they just welcome discussion ?
I *know* there have been other threads that put overclockers in a bad light, some by the boss himself, but forum users are not always an indication of the company that’s supplying the forums.

[ is this the right place to air such view's on public forum.?
zia

Why not?
This is exactly why issues happen – because people don’t talk to each other enough.
Whats better? – Expressing your views publicly, having them challenged by others and perhaps have input from those of the opposing side (in this case, someone from Islam following come in and set the record straight on their view) or Keep the issue locked up inside, expressing the opinion to friends and family who may be influenced more, all while offering support for the BNP?

Not talking is one of the biggest reasons why there is so many divides between religions.

[TooNice]

I've scanned through the first three pages of that thread. Frankly speaking, it looked like a fairly balanced discussion on religion as a whole in those few pages (as balanced as a discussion on relgion can get). Certainly no more offensive than the Scientology thread here.

[dave87]

Not talking and the creation of misconceptions based on assessments of others, perhaps in an alien culture, is what divides people, due to a shift in preconceptions about said people - ie Cold War - Russia and the USA were on the same side, until a breakdown of communications (Churchill loses election, Roosevelt dies) and they are suddenly in a cold war.

Similar is happening in this day and age with the spread of half truths to further an agenda. It happens with everything from religion, to nations (think Iraq, war on terror).

[zia]

to be honest i was under the illusion that promoting hate/ridicule was agains't most forum policies,overclocker's seem passionate about moderating linking to competeor's websites yet they have not moderate such negative post as in the link.the linked thread is one of many just do search and you'll seen just more than few on islamic/muslim etc clearly there is distinct negative feeling toward's people like me who are islamic who are good law abiding citizen that have no wish harm/demeen/incite any form hatred in any shape or form..i would never have posted the above if hadn't moved me in this manner and not one to throw the dummy out of the pushchair on few choice word some has said, but what is depressing in the most sense is the negativity i feel. how long before open hostility? will there be islamic bashing now,i remmeber not too long it was called paki bashing in the early 70's /80's.

zia

p.s please can we keep the post civilised don't wish it to degrade,if inappropriate plz delete

[dave87]

But that was the thing (and I didn't read the thread fully), he pointed out his view, he then said does anyone else have similar views. I don't see how that is promoting racial hatred?

Indeed, he says in one of his posts, I'm aware of the laws that prevent the promotion of racial hatred. I think the problem comes more from his general poise, that he was anti Islam.

[Agent]

to be honest i was under the illusion that promoting hate/ridicule was agains't most forum policies,overclocker's seem passionate about moderating linking to competeor's websites yet they have not moderate such negative post as in the link.the linked thread is one of many just do search and you'll seen just more than few on islamic/muslim etc clearly there is distinct negative feeling toward's people like me who are islamic who are good law abiding citizen that have no wish harm/demeen/incite any form hatred in any shape or form..i would never have posted the above if hadn't moved me in this manner and not one to throw the dummy out of the pushchair on few choice word some has said, but what is depressing in the most sense is the negativity i feel. how long before open hostility? will there be islamic bashing now,i remmeber not too long it was called paki bashing in the early 70's /80's.

zia

First off, please figure out where your return key is Thats almost impossible to read.

Secondly, there is a very big difference between expressing a view and "promoting hate/ridicule" of a religion.
Ive not fully read the thread, but the bits I have read are not a lot more than personal opinion.

"overclocker's seem passionate about moderating linking to competeor's websites yet they have not moderate such negative post as in the link"

Thing is, that's you opinion on what is negative.
Some people will welcome discussion of their religion (see the religion thread with Kezzer and a few others replying), and use it to help justify their views in an appropriate manor. Others dont always have to agree with those views, but they are always polite and civilised.

Then you have the people who see any question about religion as an attack on their beliefs.

Something that criticises a religion isn't always a negative thing - It can be a way of gaining better understanding of it.

At the moment this post is just smacking of "Oh no someone said something bad about Islam, Im going to go and moan at the world".
Reach out to these people that are saying things you don't agree with. Talk to them. Explain why you feel such a way.

A thread moaning about what others have said because they have a different opinion isn't the way to fix these things.
In fact, its probably making matters worse.

[dave87]

Agent said what I was attempting to say, albeit more coherently.

If he was promoting racial hatred he would be actively spreading lies about the religion, or actively encouraging people to go, and as you said, 'paki bashing'.

From what I read, there is nothing of that nature in the thread (though I did kinda get bored).

[zia]

Secondly, there is a very big difference between expressing a view and "promoting hate/ridicule" of a religion.
Ive not fully read the thread, but the bits I have read are not a lot more than personal opinion.

this just one post of many on same subject! there are clear defind rules when expressing a value/informative view.

sample islam is evil...therefore muslim are evil..
these people would only post such stuff cause they want to express thier feelings on the subject.if you read carefully he's not he only one voicing his blind/ignorant view's

always polite and civilised.

if this and similar remark's are civilised then i hate to see your abuse.all am stating is what any other muslim would that discussion based on calling me
terrorist/backward/women suppresser/etc has one ajenda

Something that criticises a religion isn't always a negative thing - It can be a way of gaining better understanding of it.

sometime the ignorant remark can be the spark that fed the fire.having good understanding and respect goes long way to helping people to understand, name calling,ridicule.deeply hurtful offensive remark can cuase the most hurt.
a word spoken in haste anger can hurt more than handful of rock's.

[Agent]

this just one post of many on same subject! there are clear defind rules when expressing a value/informative view.

Really?
Where are these clearly defined rules?
One mans insult is another mans compliment [The HSBC adverts come to mind ]

sample islam is evil...therefore muslim are evil..

Is that a quote from what someone said in the overclockers thread?
If so, please link it. I would consider that offensive is I was a Muslim and read that too.

these people would only post such stuff cause they want to express thier feelings on the subject.

Not wanting to state the obvious here, but that's what a forum is for

if you read carefully he's not he only one voicing his blind/ignorant view's

"reading carefully" hints that you have to read further into the words than first appear. Have you considered this is just you extrapolating things that isn't there?

Blind / Ignorant views are also subjective. A Jew may find some beliefs of Christianity blind or Ignorant. It doesn't make them any more right.

Its Ironic that the purpose of the thread at overclockers was about how they think Islam can be Ignorant to others, and here you are saying the exact same thing to the people who posted in the thread.
Remember what I said about people not talking?

if this and similar remark's are civilised then i hate to see your abuse.

I tend not to try and fall to abuse, but to answer people in a logical and, as well as I can, subjective way.
As soon as abuse starts coming out in a discussion it shows that you are not able to justify your reasoning.

On the HEXUS meets we talk about everything and everything, with many disagreements. At the end of the day we all go home, having enjoyed it, maybe a bit drunk and looking forward to the next one.
Debate is good. But only when done properly.

all am stating is what any other muslim would

I disagree. Being a Muslim indicates that you have a certain belief. It does not mean that you all share the same opinion in a Borg like way.

that discussion based on calling me
terrorist/backward/women suppresser/etc has one ajenda

Again, can you provide linkage to the thread where this was said?
What is the one agenda that you are claiming they have - you didnt say

sometime the ignorant remark can be the spark that fed the fire.

Then what is worse?
Them for making that remark, or you for reacting to it?

having good understanding and respect goes long way to helping people to understand, name calling,ridicule.deeply hurtful offensive remark can cuase the most hurt.

I agree. But the understanding and respect needs to be built on something. Its not just going to appear because you feel like you are being bullied.

a word spoken in haste anger can hurt more than handful of rock's.

Sticks and stones will break my bones.... But I agree with what you're saying.

Remember though - a word spoke in friendship is more than thinking it.

[TiG]

To be honest i think i'll post to say most of the problems with relgious discussions is we've done this all before in Question time where we spend time constructing lovely crafted arguements.

I'm personally getting bored with it all, Live and let live. Doesn't matter what colour, creed or religion.

Only persecute the closed minded morons and the sheep

TiG

[zia]

few comment's that have been said on this forum

Gigi
Wise Guy



Joined: Aug 2004
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 1,217
Makes one wish that hitler had implemented the final solution for the muslims rather than the jews.

Muslims = Waste of time.

The Mad Rapper
Wise Guy



Joined: Oct 2002
Location: London
Posts: 2,741 Nuke them all from orbit TBH.

"reading carefully" hints that you have to read further into the words than first appear. Have you considered this is just you extrapolating things that isn't there?

guess am reading far too much into such comment's.and jumping the gun how stupid of me start another attention seeking muslim thread, one argument meet another until the point of the original thread is lost

Then what is worse?
Them for making that remark, or you for reacting to it?

in what way have i reacted?. did offend this person .does my religion deserve such hostility? at the end it don't matter either,am poorly equipt to make any sort quality argument and there far more educated than myself,maybe it was wrong of me to start this thread in the first place plz delete.
i worn't being using a company that allow a forum that happily slate muslim,
nor will i promote it to any of my friends relative's.

zia

[amjedm]

I've only ordered from Overclockers once and that was for work.

Following is a quote from this link - http://www.yakyak.org/viewtopic.php?...d4e6a10a08589f

We believe that democracy is a fraud and a sham. We wish to establish a new type of State based on leadership, authority and discipline. There are no rights without duties. There is no national dignity without the people believing in their race and nation above all else.

No compromise over homosexuality. It should be made illegal again and stiff penalties imposed on the "pink Mafia" now infiltrating Society at all levels.

Total opposition to Zionism and Israel and all their supporters. Solidarity with the oppressed Arab world, who are our natural allies against the New World Order.

Above are the beliefs of the Party the owner (whoever that is) of Overclockers believes in.

[moogle]

After enough court cases forcing OCUK into bankrupcy, I think Hexus will need to upgrade its servers

There will be mass amounts of refugees coming here

amen the day that happens


I love that smiley

[finlay666]

i worn't being using a company that allow a forum that happily slate muslim,
nor will i promote it to any of my friends relative's.

zia

See it's not the company saying those things, it is the members

Although the members DO represent the company as an affiliation in terms by being members of forums and making posts like that.

TBH I don't think religion's place is on MOST forums as people CAN have extreme views on the matter and can make comments that would not be said to a stranger

As my view (as an agnostic/athiest)....I think there are far worse religions than Hinduism/Muslim as from my understanding it is a peaceful religion, Christianity on the other hand....

I'm personally getting bored with it all, Live and let live. Doesn't matter what colour, creed or religion.

Couldn't agree more, like the reference to religion in Dogma about how its not WHICH faith you have its that you DO

Only persecute the closed minded morons and the sheep

You want to persecute my avatar???

[chicken]

From a slightly different angle, take the "British" (by this I mean your stereotype-like person) visiting a country that has had it's media filled with stories of Football Hooliganism and Drunkeness.

Now this person may find the people of that country hostile towards them because they look like the stereotype, so they are automatically expecting them to be anti-social and want them out of their country. A similar scenario but an entirely different set of people.

That person could be the nicest person on the planet, but they are fighting a stereotype that has appeared in that country because of others of his/her line. Without stopping and making an attempt to show the locals that not all their people are like that, they are just helping them with their belief.

I welcome dialogue and integration of cultures, but occasionally you have to take the odd thing on the chin to progress. We are dealing with a huge merging of cultures here so people are bound to cause offence on both sides. What it takes is as has been said, sensible conversation amongst the sensible ones of us.

You did the right thing in coming here as your actions have prompted a response on the other forum. But you should maybe be stating your case, in a straightforward and logical way over there rather than bringing a heated arguement to a whole new set of people?

Yes people said wrong things, but a large amount of that thread was actually people's views, and the only way you are going to change those views is through dialogue and not through offence.

Muslims and Christian/Athiest/Jewish people of this country have offended each other a lot recently. It's nothing new, but if it's going to stop then we can't keep all jumping to arms over everything. If it's to be settled then instead of hearing of extreme Muslim views through the paper, we need to hear normal muslim views from the people. I don't claim the non-muslims among us to be great, some will always be idiots, but if you take baited statements, somebody somewhere will continue to bait you.