Plane on a... gale force wind

[sleepyhead]

That has definately touched, IMO they are lucky that that was an A320, airbus wing design is far more flexible than that of a Boeing. Not only that but the fly-by-wire nature of the 320 means it would have been much easier to wrestle back into the sky than an older 737.

Hats of to that pilot, although how ATC could have authorised a landing in those conditions is beyond me.

A320 with all their teething problems at the start with doors randomly opening. It's rare to find a non fly-by-wire 737 these days. Part of me prefers the old linkage system than fly-by-wire, can't beat a good old bit of hardware inplace of an analogue switch. Both Airbus and Boeing wings are pretty amazing. Ever see the experiment they did with a 757 wing? The amount they could bent it before it snapped was phenomenal. 747-400 wing flexes upto 4 feet in flight (at wing tip). Besides, during landing, it's the throttle that controls your height.

The winglet on the end of the wing actually got ripped off. Apparently the plane has been repaired and is already flying again. Must've been pretty minor, although very close to being very major. I'd have liked to have seen the pilot abort that landing with only one engine...

Probably a very simple patch repair if it's minor skin damage. Seen horrific damage (which was minor) on a wing whereby the aircraft during taxi, took out (want for a better description) a shed.

Twin engine aircraft have what is known as ETOPs rating, which basically means it can fly on one engine for a given range (it's used for pla.

I've just finished a Human Factors course and becuase i'm an jet engine technician we got to watch about 30 different accident vids in a day.
This is the site we use for finding out about certain disasters that the public can access, but there is a special FAA website with every accident that ever happened, very interesting.

AirDisaster.Com

There are some decent pictures at that site. Do you mean this FAA site ?

In all honesty the landing looked it was going to plan till something changed in the conditions. Aircraft (modern) can land in conditions whereby they have high crosswind. Watching the 777 and 747-SP land in crosswind conditions during testing was jaw dropping.

You're Human Factors course, is it EASA 145 approved Human Factors course? Very boring...(however is a requirement.... )

[gtech]

You're Human Factors course, is it EASA 145 approved Human Factors course?

Yep thats the one, it's part 145 because that's the maintenance organisation approval, it was very boring until the vids came out. In fact we got FAA and CAA audits in the next few weeks . Just finished a JT8D-200 course as well, we had a couple of Italians from AVIO come over to teach us, we specalise in JT8'S 1-17 but now moving onto the -200 series. We only strip and rebuild engines and have nothing to do with airframe (thank god).

[sleepyhead]

Yep thats the one, it's part 145 because that's the maintenance organisation approval, it was very boring until the vids came out. In fact we got FAA and CAA audits in the next few weeks . Just finished a JT8D-200 course as well, we had a couple of Italians from AVIO come over to teach us, we specalise in JT8'S 1-17 but now moving onto the -200 series. We only strip and rebuild engines and have nothing to do with airframe (thank god).

JT8s... The slightly bigger brother of the JT3, just as smokey and noisey! Surely the aircraft that run them will have landing penalties (in the near future) due to them not being stage 4 noise complaint?

Have you ever had a CASE audit done by a US air carrier? It's more in-depth than any FAA or CAA visit we've ever had.

(Sorry for going off topic)

[pauldarkside]

Me thinks there would have been a few skid marks there; both on the ground and in the plane

[Gerrard]

I've just finished a Human Factors course and becuase i'm an jet engine technician we got to watch about 30 different accident vids in a day.
This is the site we use for finding out about certain disasters that the public can access, but there is a special FAA website with every accident that ever happened, very interesting.

AirDisaster.Com

Just did a Human Factors course a couple of weeks ago as well. Dead boring, but not as boring and drawn out as the Air Publications and Regs I've done for the last 2 weeks! Roll on more practical work...

[gtech]

JT8s... The slightly bigger brother of the JT3, just as smokey and noisey! Surely the aircraft that run them will have landing penalties (in the near future) due to them not being stage 4 noise complaint?

The JT8's are pretty noisey but nothing compared to the JT3's, we used to service lots of JT3's, used on crappy old cargo planes now, but the -200 series are clean (sometimes) and quiet, nearly all of what i've worked on have been stage 4 hush. They usually come from 727, 737 + Md 80/90's, but because we get them delivered to our engineshop there usually just basic Qec, we also have a test cell in Gloucester.
As for the landing penalties- rubbish!
Where you based sleepyhead?

Human factors, Baines and Simmons was the company, gotta keep out of that error zone!

[Fraz]

they can fly fine on 1 engine

Yes, I know... point = missed.

[iranu]

Tech Log Entry: Auto-Land was rough.

Engineer's Report: Auto-Land not installed.

Reminds me of the old days of Elite. What a pain that was in docking. The number of times I went red with rage swearing at the Amiga shouting that I was well within the bloody sides of the bay. Docking computer installed? Yep. No problemo, zip into the space station at what ever speed and press "D". (or was it something else?) No wind there!

[sleepyhead]

The JT8's are pretty noisey but nothing compared to the JT3's, we used to service lots of JT3's, used on crappy old cargo planes now, but the -200 series are clean (sometimes) and quiet, nearly all of what i've worked on have been stage 4 hush. They usually come from 727, 737 + Md 80/90's, but because we get them delivered to our engineshop there usually just basic Qec, we also have a test cell in Gloucester.
As for the landing penalties- rubbish!
Where you based sleepyhead?

Human factors, Baines and Simmons was the company, gotta keep out of that error zone!

JT8 Engine tests done at Summit Aviation in Gloucester? (I think it's called Summit)

737-200 with JT8s scream down the runway. I can't imagine that was Stage 4 noise compliant! I miss working at Gatwick...(admittedly that was back in 2004).

We did have our own trainer for Human Factors, Manual Handling Air Legde...just don't poke too deeply into why not now.

Back on topic re: Lufty A320 landing; I think it hit the news as it did just because it was aviation and the potential consequences. That and it looked wicked cool attempting to land in high crosswind.

Actually reminds me of the news article in (I think it was The Sun) over how one of their journalists flew in a 747-400 and "oh no" it had only 1 winglet installed on one side. Kicked up a fuss in that paper without going into things such as the MEL, ADDs and BDDs.

I digress. Sorry.

[gtech]

JT8 Engine tests done at Summit Aviation in Gloucester? (I think it's called Summit)

Summit Aviation

Yep that's us, just a small company 14 of us on the shop floor, 3 engine bays. Although the company have just spent 3-4 million on a purpose built workshop, 10 engine bays and room for my bosses helicopters to be fixed, opening this August, cant wait going to need lots more people though.

here it is \/ \/ \/ That pic was taken in it's early stages, its more complete now.





There are few more pics here \/ \/
Summit Aviation News

[sleepyhead]

So..everybody must still remember this picture...



Well finally been sent some pictures of the damage that occured.










As you can see, it's not significant so not surprising the downtime was short.

[Gerrard]

Pah! Hammer it flat, cover it in tape; it'll do a trip!

[iranu]

Pah! Hammer it flat, cover it in tape; it'll do a trip!

The technical term is planish

Reminds me of writing repair instructions for RB199 thrust reverse buckets. Nasty things cos iirc there are 4 main parts to each bucket set (top and bottom) and due to the Tornado having 2 engines, 8 in all. Now that doesn't sound so bad you say except each bucket was a mirror image of all the other buckets across a number of surface planes so it was really difficult to get your head around which bit went where and how they all interacted. Combine this with an almost origami arrangement of titanium sheet which was welded and riveted in various places and the nightmare was complete. I also think there were different models in it's life too.

Repairs were usually; take out rivets along here, here, here and for good measure here, cut this section along here, pull this bit up, cut out the damaged section along here, here, here and here. Make a new section to these dimensions, tack in place, weld. Re-weld the section previously cut, put all the rivets back in.

Planish to fit. (i.e. Bash it with a hammer until everything fits properly).

Here they are with the actuator and four mounting arms (each side)



And I think an older version here.