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    ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Quote Originally Posted by [url=http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/25/0413236/UK-Anti-Piracy-Firm-E-mails-Reveal-Cavalier-Attitude-Toward-Legal-Threats]The Article[/url]
    A recent DDoS attack against a UK-based anti-pirating firm, ACS:Law, has resulted in a large backup archive of the server contents being made available for download, [and this archive] is now being hosted by the Pirate Bay. Within this archive are e-mails from Andrew Crossley basically admitting that he is running a scam job, sending out thousands of frivolous legal threats on the premise that a percentage pay up immediately to avoid legal hassles.
    Do people still think the Digital Economy Act was a good idea after all?
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    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Well isn't there now evidence to bring a charge of blackmai against him or his company?

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Are you allowed to use evidence obtained through illegal methods in court?

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Are you allowed to use evidence obtained through illegal methods in court?
    Probably not as it wouldn't be admissible as evidence (but I am not a lawyer). It might be admissible in a civil action though, and The Law Society might take an interest. But the publicity won't be very good for him, or his firm.

    But, however dubious his practices, it still doesn't legitimise copyright theft.
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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    But, however dubious his practices, it still doesn't legitimise copyright theft.
    Nope, but it sure does make a *very* strong case for blocking 'net widening' measures such as DEA and ACTA.
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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Are you allowed to use evidence obtained through illegal methods in court?
    This evidence, no, but I'm sure a smart prosecutor, could easily claim this as some kind of CI/probable cause or similar and get a warrant for the actual hardware, which I imagine would be needed for anything criminal. Although I'm sure that hardware is currently getting an introduction to Gutmann.

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    But, however dubious his practices, it still doesn't legitimise copyright theft.
    Correct, but however dubious copyright theft, it does not legitimise blackmail, theft and intimidation.

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Piracy threats lawyer mocks 4chan DDoS attack
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/22/acs_4chan/

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckskull View Post
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    Correct, but however dubious copyright theft, it does not legitimise blackmail, theft and intimidation.
    That is certainly true, and I hope that at the very least the Law Society does have the guts to take this on.

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    Piracy threats lawyer mocks 4chan DDoS attack
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/22/acs_4chan/

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    - there is a sort of poetic justice at seeing this guy getting his come-uppance. I think the Germans have a word for it - schadenfreude
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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    If these e-mails are really so damning, then get to the court house on Monday with your Million+ lawsuit to get to the front of the bankruptcy queue!

    Nice to see another scam lawyer get what they deserve.

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Looking forward to seeing how this turns out

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Possible £500k fine now too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11418970

    I'm really starting to like these guys they're doing more damage to MPAA, BPI etc ridiculous campaigns than EFF, ACLU and all the rest put together

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    4chan does do some good from time to time.

    The problem is they tend to get a bit bored and move on to other things quickly. Channology is the prime example. After the mass attacks on scientology at the start its been pretty dead since.

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckskull View Post
    Possible £500k fine now too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11418970

    I'm really starting to like these guys they're doing more damage to MPAA, BPI etc ridiculous campaigns than EFF, ACLU and all the rest put together
    Do you think the regulatory bodies will have the backbone to go through with it. When complaints were made a while back about ACS:Law didn't they deny there was a case in the first place. If they do actually come down on these cretin's I would be highly surprised.

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    Quote Originally Posted by Peterb & chuckskull
    copyright theft
    Unless somebody managed to actually steal the rights to the content, this was not copyright theft - it was copyright infringement.

    I'm being a pedant about this, because I'm fed up of the fact that an incorrect notion pushed by industry is being validated by its growing use.

    Copyright infringement is not theft. And it's not even possible to directly equate an infringement to a lost sale.

    Now that's not to say that infringment of copyright doesn't have a negative affect on the right holders, who should receive money for distribution of their work, but if we allow falsehoods such as "infringement = theft" to perpetuate, then we end up in a situation where the response to combat infringement is disproportional... and then we see news stories like this.

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    Re: ACS:Law emails stolen, shown to knowingly threaten innocents with litigation

    From what I've seen ICO generally don't mess about tbh, but as he said, he can't do much more than fine them, but who's going to hire someone who causes so much embarrassment and damage again?

    Quite right Steve. Fair play.

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