TVShack admin to be extradited

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

And the bit that follows that ....

plus the bit that follows that

"But critics say that's a red herring. Campaign group Friends Extradited says the real issue of imbalance is that while the US courts don't allow an extradition until a judge has examined the quality of the evidence, because of the constitutional rights of the suspect, a British judge is merely examining the quality of the application - not the case the individual faces on arrival in the US.

Parliament's Joint Committee on Human Rights said in its June 2011 report on extradition that the burden of proof for extradition should be increased - but the US argues that that it cannot ask the UK to hand over a suspect unless its request has already met the same test in its own courts."

[aidanjt]

Also, in this case, the accused is being extradited for breaking US law while on British soil. If he were to break US law on US soil and returned home to escape US justice, that'd be another matter. This is just another in a long line of US encroachment on the national sovereignty of foreign nations.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Also, in this case, the accused is being extradited for breaking US law while on British soil. If he were to break US law on US soil and returned home to escape US justice, that'd be another matter.

Exactly.

This is just another in a long line of US encroachment on the national sovereignty of foreign nations.

Don't worry it has home grown support here too. The US has support! So it is all good and fine. Hopefully we will amend our own agreements with a few more countries too while we are at it. We British citizens need to policed by other countries on our own soil. We cannot be trusted, you know, on our own soil.

[DannyM]

Don't break the law then. Simples.

Such a black and white reply, yet the law isn't that.

Especially in this case, shooting the messenger gets no justice at all. So what if he made plenty of £££ from advertising, well played. It's the people who provide the content that need to be identified.

It's getting extremely frustrating seeing the anti-piracy groups go after the people who view the content as oppose to them that provide it.

A classic example is the blocking of Newzbin by BT and others. How does that fix the problem in the first place?

The typical answer would be to say that it discourages others from doing it, but it doesn't it's a cat and mouse game that has been going on for ages now and piracy is still thriving. Shoot the writer, not the messenger.

[BobF64]

Better not rip a CD, then you'll be in violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. It doesn't matter if it's a US president who signed it, you broke it, you pay for it!

Ripping CDs isnt legal in the UK either.

And if you ripped a CD and shared it, then sure, the US could request your extradition, but probably wouldnt as you already committed and offence in the UK.

[roachcoach]

What if I, as a bartender, sold alcohol to a 19 year old American?

Can I expect blackhawks at dawn?

[aidanjt]

Ripping CDs isnt legal in the UK either.

Actually that's being changed.

And if you ripped a CD and shared it, then sure, the US could request your extradition, but probably wouldnt as you already committed and offence in the UK.

You missed the point. British subjects are *not* subject to US law when they're outside the US. The US does not have jurisdiction to acts committed outside their soil. Attempting to apply US law to British citizens living in Britain is treason as far as I'm concerned.

[Lucio]

Personally I'd prefer that a UK citizen is found guilty of a crime under UK law, than be extridited to the US. After all, IP property laws are supposed to be more or less universal, so for crimes like this it seems ridiculous to waste time with an extridition hearing.

If it were a crime commited on U.S. soil then things would be different, but a crime on the internet is on everyone's soil, and should be tried in by the country where the offender lives, under their local laws.

[roachcoach]

However, it would seem he has NOT broken uk law.

Can the IFPI extradite all Americans who have ripped CDs to itunes? It's still illegal here and legal there.


This whole thing is so fundamentally wrong I don't have the words.

[BobF64]

Actually that's being changed.

Yes, being is the important word there, but until its signed into law, it still isn't.

You missed the point. British subjects are *not* subject to US law when they're outside the US. The US does not have jurisdiction to acts committed outside their soil.

See, that's the trouble, there's all sorts of international crud involving copyright, not to mention no one has actually mentioned where the site was hosted or anything else.

So he could have committed acts on US soil.

Attempting to apply US law to British citizens living in Britain is treason as far as I'm concerned.

I don't see how it's treason, since neither the US nor the perpetrator are performing an act against the Crown.