Canada Admits - Alien Technology Operated by the USA

[melon]

Former Canadian Minister of Defense discusses Alien Encounters and Technology currently in use by US Military.

Fast forward to 1:22 to hear the full details.



Pretty interesting - esp details on fatal encounters.

m

[blueball]

Gafl

[Saracen]

Well, first, I can't see that Canada has admitted anything. One ex-Minister did. And all even he did was give a speech that appears to amount to an account of what someone else allegedly said. There's not really anything in there beyond an assertion and a theory I first heard, oh, about 40 years ago.

I'd like my 10 minutes back.

[melon]

Well, first, I can't see that Canada has admitted anything. One ex-Minister did. And all even he did was give a speech that appears to amount to an account of what someone else allegedly said. There's not really anything in there beyond an assertion and a theory I first heard, oh, about 40 years ago.

I'd like my 10 minutes back.

Well, from what I understand it would only be a few individuals privy to that information ( ones that dealt in such areas as defense ) so what do you expect ?

The whistles blowers are always the exception - not the rule , just look at the amount of people too scared to step forward in the Saville case and multiply by 100 - and that was just for one celebrity never mind a whole government who just happens to be the most powerful in the world.

If you knew about something they didnt want you to talk about , would you risk saying it ?

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[Saracen]

Well, from what I understand it would only be a few individuals privy to that information ( ones that dealt in such areas as defense ) so what do you expect ?

The whistles blowers are always the exception - not the rule , just look at the amount of people too scared to step forward in the Saville case and multiply by 100.

m

Maybe so, but it's a circular logic that basically amounts to what may be the raw truth, or utter hogwash, and as there's no evidence either way, it comes down to whether you're prepared to swallow the accounts whole, with no critical evaluation.

And I'm not.

Until some actual evidence surfaces, if it ever does, then it's just so much hot air. I could, and indeed have in the past, said much the same about the existence of God, or at least, a God such as various groups claim he/she/it to be.

And the difference with the Savile situation is that we know child abuse, sexual or otherwise, occurs, whether Savile was at it or not, and we don't know that visitors for another planet/star/dimension, exist. It's a rather poor and very insensitive analogy, IMHO.

[melon]

Gafl

I thought you blocked me ?

m

[melon]

Maybe so, but it's a circular logic that basically amounts to what may be the raw truth, or utter hogwash, and as there's no evidence either way, it comes down to whether you're prepared to swallow the accounts whole, with no critical evaluation.

And I'm not.

Until some actual evidence surfaces, if it ever does, then it's just so much hot air. I could, and indeed have in the past, said much the same about the existence of God, or at least, a God such as various groups claim he/she/it to be.

And how is there ever going to be evidence unless someone hacks in and exposes documents or video ?

You have to start somewhere , the fact he worked in high profile position , in government says something , doesn't it ?

Hes not the first - so when you add up all ex ministers or officers giving accounts IMO it starts to paint a picture.

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[melon]

And the difference with the Savile situation is that we know child abuse, sexual or otherwise, occurs, whether Savile was at it or not, and we don't know that visitors for another planet/star/dimension, exist. It's a rather poor and very insensitive analogy, IMHO.

Not within the BBC, why do you think its taken so long ?

No one would believe it was possible - so they dismissed it - the same way your doing now.

I think suggesting there are no aliens out there is ludicrous TBH, unless you are suggesting youve already checked the whole universe and every planet we keep discovering , the odds of there being nothing else must be infinity to one at best.


m

[pollaxe]

I'm a big believer in alien life, it has to be out there somewhere else. Whether it's visiting this planet, though, I think is a completely different question...

[mikerr]

And how is there ever going to be evidence unless someone hacks in and exposes documents or video ?

Like "super hacker" Gary McKinnon finding evidence, but - wouldn't you know it - not taking a simple screenshot of his own computer screen ?

I think suggesting there are no aliens out there is ludicrous TBH, unless you are suggesting youve already checked the whole universe and every planet we keep discovering , the odds of there being nothing else must be infinity to one at best.

"“The chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one – but still they come!” " - Jeff Wayne , War of the Worlds.

UFOs etc are more likely to be suppressed miltitary tech than "alien".

Alien life out there ? Probably

Ones that have visited us in flying saucers - highly unlikely.

[Saracen]

And how is there ever going to be evidence unless someone hacks in and exposes documents or video ?

There's no evidence of the existence of fairies at the bottom of my garden, either, but I don't consider the absence of evidence as evidence of a conspiracy by neighbours to keep it from me. Maybe they're hiding the reports, video and some fairy technology?

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You have to start somewhere , the fact he worked in high profile position , in government says something , doesn't it ?

Maybe. But what I think it says and what you seem to think it says are very different.

Hes not the first - so when you add up all ex ministers or officers giving accounts IMO it starts to paint a picture.

All that minister reported what what someone else allegedly said. Many reports from people in responsible positions amount to accounts of things they've seen. They don't know what it was they'd seen.

And the list of people that have seen something they cannot explain would include me. But that it remains unexplained 40 years later doesn't mean it was little green (or grey) men. It merely means it's unexplained, at least, to me. It doesn't even mean there isn't an explanation.

I have no opinion on whether alien visitors exist. It's possible, but would require a level of technology we can barely imagine, let alone conceive of how it would work in real life. But then, if you'd tried explaining a helicopter, DNA, a laser or even a combustion engine to someone 2000 years ago, you'd have hit a brick wall. So our current understanding of science has to reflect our current understanding, and by definition, something may exist that would make alien visitors possible.

Note the "may" in that sentence.

But I see nothing in that clip that enhances the state of things, merely because it's an account of what someone else said, and beyond that third-hand account of an ages-old idea, adds nothing.

I still want my 10 minutes back.

[Saracen]

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Alien life out there ? Probably

Ones that have visited us in flying saucers - highly unlikely.

Exactly.

[melon]

There's no evidence of the existence of fairies at the bottom of my garden, either, but I don't consider the absence of evidence as evidence of a conspiracy by neighbours to keep it from me. Maybe they're hiding the reports, video and some fairy technology?


Maybe. But what I think it says and what you seem to think it says are very different.

All that minister reported what what someone else allegedly said. Many reports from people in responsible positions amount to accounts of things they've seen. They don't know what it was they'd seen.

And the list of people that have seen something they cannot explain would include me. But that it remains unexplained 40 years later doesn't mean it was little green (or grey) men. It merely means it's unexplained, at least, to me. It doesn't even mean there isn't an explanation.

I have no opinion on whether alien visitors exist. It's possible, but would require a level of technology we can barely imagine, let alone conceive of how it would work in real life.

So you admit that then that we're not capable of creating it ourselves ?

m

[Willzzz]

So you admit that then that we're not capable of creating it ourselves ?

m

Would you care to define "it"?

Creating a spaceship isn't beyond our imaginations, but the length of time it would take to travel to the nearest intelligent alien species is.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The problem you can see that even with existing technologies,politics,vested interests and economics,usually gets in the way. Its a shame that stuff like SABRE may take a very long time to see actual usage,if Reaction Engines is lucky!!

[melon]

Would you care to define "it"?

Creating a spaceship isn't beyond our imaginations, but the length of time it would take to travel to the nearest intelligent alien species is.

IT as in technology equivalent to whats been interpreted and reported as UFOs .

Or as Saracen puts its .. "A level of technology we can barely imagine, let alone conceive of how it would work in real life "

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