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I guess there are quite a lot of software engineers who are using Hexus forums. So i would like to know the average pay scale for the beginner software engineers in UK and USA in both hourly and monthly format.
Thanks
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I guess there are quite a lot of software engineers who are using Hexus forums. So i would like to know the average pay scale for the beginner software engineers in UK and USA in both hourly and monthly format.
Thanks
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UK data by profession can be found here:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/ashe/a...ngs/index.html
Note it's across all experience levels, so the beginning engineer would be lower than the average figure.
The US gov may have an equivalent site, I'm not sure.
Don't forget that the UK, and especially the US, are very large places with very different wages depending where you are.
Thanks for the reply. Usually the UK using a 2 tier structure in registering engineers right? So is there are a different between a person who earned his Charted status with experience and Charted status earned using Education + experience?Originally Posted by kalniel
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Can't say I'm used to seeing the title "engineer" in conjunction with software. Typically the positions are described as devlopers or programmers, which might help you find more about relevant career options.
As for salary ranges, where are you looking? London offers a higher salary to cope with the cost of living increases, further north, the salary drops but may be a better prospect compared to cost of living.
Finally, as a thought that specifying which language and skills set you're targetting, as an example our junior C# developer gets 3k more than the junior web developer simply because of availabilty of skills in the market
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I am a Software Engineer and let me tell it to you plain and simple. If you don't have work experience, you will get nowhere! Make sure you get a year's experience by taking a gap year.
Average salary is £30k.
Nipun (03-12-2013)
Average salary is £30k? Ummm I don't think so.
For UK salaries, take a look on jobserve. Bung in your skills and see what drops out. Most permanent members of staff are paid monthly rather than hourly. Most contract staff (ie on rolling contracts of 3-12 months) are paid daily rather than hourly.
Rates and salaries depend on location, skill set and demand at the time.
I don't think I've seen any chartered software engineers, in fact membership of the BCS and IEEE is fairly this on the ground in general. If you can get a place on a graduate scheme go with that - they're few and far between, so competition is high, but worth looking at.
IBM do intern roles (either gap year or pre-university) which may be worth a look. I know some of the banks do gap year and graduate training roles too.
Nipun (03-12-2013)
Disagree. Plenty of people who do sandwich degrees get useless training.
Also £30k... You're kidding. Graddies with zero experience get more than that in London. Hell it's hard enough to find someone who's just rolled out of uni that can program for less than £35k.
It also really depends on what is meant by software engineer. There are some which are paid much better than others. Having a demonstrable knowledge of maths for instance will get you some better paying roles.
Then you get experience, skills and track records. It's incredibly easy in an enterprise environment to get paid £60k, if you do the right skills, the right projects etc, it isn't remotely hard to get to say £100k in three years. You just have to work hard enough and prove that you are worth keeping.
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..and I think TheAnimus is too far the other way. Sure it's possible to get 100k, but it's not common for someone who's 3 years out of University to be being paid that. Maybe in the city, but even then, the exception rather than the rule IMO.
No it's not, for a start you need to factor in living costs to salary, you could be paid £3k more but end up spending £6k more (post tax) living in London. I know what I'm on is close to London rates for my level (non banker stuff) but my base living expenses (rent, council tax, travel) are miniscule in comparison, rent for a comparable property to what I currently rent is at least £500 more per month and a months public transport is £50
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What planet are you living on ? Cos I sure would love to live on that planet!
Graduates with no experience get more than £30k p.a ? AHAHAHAHA
£100k in 3 years? Damn, then , all the bankers must be Software engineers!
Like I said, I am a 5 year old Software Engineer graduate. After I graduated, I looked about for work for a year related to my degree. With no work experience, I got nowhere. Furthermore, the only coding jobs I got invited to interview for were Web development jobs and they were paying around £20k. Then, I looked at work experience that I actually had and I jumped on the Support bandwagon. I am now a Server Engineer.
And, that was 5 years ago. Things are even more difficult now!
I think this thread shows there is a huge spread of remuneration and it is highly dependant on where you live. Having interviewed people in past jobs for programming roles, there is a huge range of competence so it isn't that surprising.
So if Animus is talking London wages then sure 100K isn't that hard if you have the right skills, though to me it isn't worth the aggro of commuting and living there doesn't appeal to me either.
So for a better reply, what line of software engineering are you looking for? Which programming languages are you happy working in?
Not only this, but also it's dependent on whether you want a permanent position and the benefits that go with it or you're willing to contract/be self-employed. Around Manchester £25k - £35k / year is a fairly typical spread for permanent software engineering jobs; I suspect contractors make more if you calculate it hourly but of course the issue there is whether or not you'll be able to keep contracts up all the time.
London.
Now, no offense, but server engineers generally are paid considerably less than software developers. Just because you didn't manage to get anything better than a web dev job for £20k did not preclude their existence. London is always skewed by the city when it comes to wages, so lets just look outside.
http://www.theinquirer.net/jobs-deta...ss&PageSize=10
One job, demands only experience with a language, which you should have gained at uni. It is paying £25 to £33k.
Now this is outside of London, and what a cursory glance finds. Impressive graduates in London will get £45k~ at the moment.
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It is I notice slap in the middle of the M4 corridor, which if you can manage it is a good place to look for IT jobs. There are a number of hot spots for employment, but whilst you don't need to be in London to get a job there are some places where it is a lot easier.
London Grads at our place & in my role start close to £30k, London grads will be weighted higher than Scottish folks though. This isn't software support/Web Dev though and is an average paying company as well, I know of grads in my realm (different companies) starting on £35k so it's very possible.
As for the £100k claim, I'm not aware of any of the experienced guys on this amount but we're salaried and I'd totally see that as being possible as a contractor on day-rates (although maybe not as quick as 3yrs)
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