Tube strike is off

[ik9000]

Any Londoners - TFL have announced strike isn't happening. (At least not yet.)

we have the chance of getting into work tomorrow am as usual.

[TheAnimus]

How gracious of them to decide to let London function.

I always find it funny when pro-strike people defend this, how would they feel if some traders went on strike for two days, intentionally wiping out some pensions.

[Lee H]

Watch the Thames water levels rise tonight and half the tube stations be closed due to flooding on the lines

[Dooms]

They throw more money at the greedy bastards to keep em' quiet for a couple months?

[opel80uk]

I always find it funny when pro-strike people defend this, how would they feel if some traders went on strike for two days, intentionally wiping out some pensions.

I guess it would depend on what the traders were striking over. And when you say 'Pro-strike people' are you talking about people who defend the right to strike, or people who defend all strikes?

They throw more money at the greedy bastards to keep em' quiet for a couple months?

No. My understanding is that TFL have agreed to halt the implementation of the job cuts they mooted, and which Boris Johnson said would definitely not happen in his term if he were re-elected. Money was not discussed at all AFAIK, and LU has new proposals for the union. In what way are they greedy, out of interest?

[TheAnimus]

I guess it would depend on what the traders were striking over. And when you say 'Pro-strike people' are you talking about people who defend the right to strike, or people who defend all strikes?

I think it would almost certainly be unacceptable.

The tube is one of those things, I know a few people who work at a central hospital, they do not live near by due to cost, they had staffing problems, one mentioned that they hoped Crow as one of the people needing their help in A&E. If you have a vital service, for which there is no suitable substitute, you shouldn't be able to bring it to a complete standstill as part of a negociation technique.

For example they could have simply made their point to TFL leaving the barriers open. Instead they've created problems for many companies. They've cost mine a little over £1,200.

No. My understanding is that TFL have agreed to halt the implementation of the job cuts they mooted, and which Boris Johnson said would definitely not happen in his term if he were re-elected. Money was not discussed at all AFAIK, and LU has new proposals for the union. In what way are they greedy, out of interest?

The cuts where meant to be voluntary only. It is part of the change of ticket office uses.

I am all in favour of bringing the staff outside of the office. Given that huge parts of the northern line are been flicked to an automated signalling system (which we've had a large amount of weekend closures to facilitate) there are obviously going to be jobs that are no longer needed too.

The Johnson comment about offices was the election before last.

[kopite]

I'm a bit confused as to why they are unhappy.

From what I've heard there are no compulory Redundancies.

They want to get rid of Ticket offices but the staff will be given jobs front of house so to speak.

Why so mad?

is it because they will have to be helpful instead of sitting looking disinterested behind the glasS?

[pp05]

They want to get rid of Ticket offices but the staff will be given jobs front of house so to speak.

Why so mad?

is it because they will have to be helpful instead of sitting looking disinterested behind the glasS?

Essentially they were asked to do same job by ticket machines and on the platform AND do it with 6k pay cut.

[Top_gun]

Respect to Bob Crow in his handling of this dispute!

[TheAnimus]

Essentially they were asked to do same job by ticket machines and on the platform AND do it with 6k pay cut.

You got a link for that last bit? It wasn't in the official pre strike RMT statement.

[opel80uk]

I think it would almost certainly be unacceptable.

I think it would depend on what the action was over. Without knowing that, I wouldn't be able to form an opinion on it.

The tube is one of those things, I know a few people who work at a central hospital, they do not live near by due to cost, they had staffing problems, one mentioned that they hoped Crow as one of the people needing their help in A&E.

I used to live in Morden, last stop on the Northern Line and for a time worked in St Thomas'. Took me just over an hour to cycle, and 3 hours to walk. After a night out. As for those people you know, were they Doctors out of interest?

If you have a vital service, for which there is no suitable substitute, you shouldn't be able to bring it to a complete standstill as part of a negociation technique.

Why not? And what or whom determines what is vital?

For example they could have simply made their point to TFL leaving the barriers open. Instead they've created problems for many companies. They've cost mine a little over £1,200.

I would imagine that was what the strike wanted to achieve.

The cuts where meant to be voluntary only. It is part of the change of ticket office uses.

I think LU said it would 'seek to avoid compulsory redundancies'. The union argues that it wasn't realistic to think that 950 staff members would take VR.

I am all in favour of bringing the staff outside of the office. Given that huge parts of the northern line are been flicked to an automated signalling system (which we've had a large amount of weekend closures to facilitate) there are obviously going to be jobs that are no longer needed too.

Thats fine, till something happens to someone at an unmanned station. Still, must think about that bottom line I guess.

The Johnson comment about offices was the election before last.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...d-9056701.html

[wasabi]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...d-9056701.html

How about this article from 2010?
http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/mayor-ac...twork/20109890

Boris was elected in 2012.





I'm not a Londoner, luckily.

[TheAnimus]

I think it would depend on what the action was over. Without knowing that, I wouldn't be able to form an opinion on it.

So they should be able to wipe out someone's defined contribution pension?

What if they where all wanting £1M per year? I mean ultimately it would still be worth it, many pension funds worth £10BN+ are administered by less than 50 people.

I used to live in Morden, last stop on the Northern Line and for a time worked in St Thomas'. Took me just over an hour to cycle, and 3 hours to walk. After a night out. As for those people you know, were they Doctors out of interest?

Two doctors, two nurses. The whole area was short staffed apparently, they where complaining because the most experienced older people just didn't make it at all.

Why not? And what or whom determines what is vital?

One which lacks any substitute. Tesco staff striking wouldn't be much of an issue, but if every single supermarket did, then it would be vital.

As I said in my original post, it is when you have no substitute good available. We already do this for Army and Police.

I would imagine that was what the strike wanted to achieve.

Hurting small businesses that are burning through their startup capital? Seriously, I'll **** them over if that is their goal.

I think LU said it would 'seek to avoid compulsory redundancies'. The union argues that it wasn't realistic to think that 950 staff members would take VR.

So what. The last few years we've seen uptake of people-less ticketing higher than ever before.

When was the last time you went to a foreign city and needed to use a person? It's been years for me in europe, the last time I needed to talk to a person was in a developing country.

Thats fine, till something happens to someone at an unmanned station. Still, must think about that bottom line I guess.

What?! What happens? How many sexual assaults, stabbings, muggings etc happen on TFL staffed areas? They are not police. Let's not forget that timely photo of the Paddington worker hard asleep behind her booth. If they see someone being stabbed, and are equipped with nothing more than a high vis jacket and a whistle, they'll just call the police, that is what they should do after all, confrontation would not go well most likely. Those rozzers could be called from the CCTV control centre just as easily. If the staff are more visible, not asleep behind their counter, then they are more likely in being proactive in making the place feel "busy" and not private.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...d-9056701.html

Before the last election you mean?

[Top_gun]

How about this article from 2010?
http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/mayor-ac...twork/20109890

Boris was elected in 2012.





I'm not a Londoner, luckily.

I'm a Londoner and Boris Johnson played a dirty tricks campaign to win, what was, a tight election.

[TheAnimus]

I'm a Londoner and Boris Johnson played a dirty tricks campaign to win, what was, a tight election.

You mean the election before last?

He was quite clear the last election, his point about smart phones was particularly apt. Almost everyone at the bus stop has a phone capable of displaying some HTML showing the next bus arrival, if they will be able to afford the fare!

[opel80uk]

So they should be able to wipe out someone's defined contribution pension?

What if they where all wanting £1M per year? I mean ultimately it would still be worth it, many pension funds worth £10BN+ are administered by less than 50 people.

No, I doubt too many people would support a strike in those circumstances.

Two doctors, two nurses. The whole area was short staffed apparently, they where complaining because the most experienced older people just didn't make it at all.

Well, I hope those Doctors didn’t join the 2012 Doctors Strike. That might look a tad hypocritical.

One which lacks any substitute. Tesco staff striking wouldn't be much of an issue, but if every single supermarket did, then it would be vital. As I said in my original post, it is when you have no substitute good available. We already do this for Army and Police.

Are you seriously comparing the London Underground to the Army & Police? One defends the country from invasion, one upholds Law & Order and the other takes people from A to B within a 10 mile radius. It’s that kind of sensationalist nonsense that feeds in to this frenzy whenever there is a strike that ultimately leaves that particular union with so much power.

And there is a substitute. Overground, Buses, Shanks Pony. Most people can get to where they need to be in London during a strike, if they can be bothered to make the extra effort.

Hurting small businesses that are burning through their startup capital? Seriously, I'll **** them over if that is their goal.

Oh dear. I’m sure the unions will be terrified. Although The Animus vs Bob Crow is something I would pay good money to see. I’ve met him, and he’s a pretty big chap, so you might have to cyber-attack him. Or something.

So what. The last few years we've seen uptake of people-less ticketing higher than ever before.

Poll suggest the paying public overwhelmingly don’t want unstaffed ticket offices. And I presume some of those have been to Europe too.

Let's not forget that timely photo of the Paddington worker hard asleep behind her booth. If they see someone being stabbed, and are equipped with nothing more than a high vis jacket and a whistle, they'll just call the police, that is what they should do after all, confrontation would not go well most likely. Those rozzers could be called from the CCTV control centre just as easily. If the staff are more visible, not asleep behind their counter, then they are more likely in being proactive in making the place feel "busy" and not private.

Ah yes, the customary extreme, albeit incredibly rare, example. Do you ever leave home without one?! When you (or anyone) gives extreme examples like that, it weakens rather than strengthens the argument IMO.

Before the last election you mean?

Indeed, but wasn’t said ‘the election before last’ as you asserted previously. There’s a difference.