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    that missing airplane

    Been offline for a bit - they ever find that missing airplane? I can't seem to find any news on it from recent weeks other than some guy claiming it was shot down by N Korea off the coast off Vietnam... Surely not?

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    Re: that missing airplane

    I was wondering that this weekend... not seen anything for ages

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    Re: that missing airplane

    hold up

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27281049

    the mapping of the seabed is going to a new level,. and now we're talking months

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    Re: that missing airplane

    It's still one of the front news of CNN last time I checked (along side Crimea and the South Korean Ferry disaster and more recently joined by the kidnapped girls in Nigeria). It does not look like they are getting any closer to finding the plane right now, so the only news is that they are expending the effort and a lot more money is being spent trying to locate the plane. As far as discussion is concerned, it has brought out the subject as to whether planes should be fitted with something more modern than a black box (e.g. something that live streams the data) which is being proven to be difficult and expensive to find - as well as not completely indestructible (9/11).

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    Re: that missing airplane

    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    ... the subject as to whether planes should be fitted with something more modern than a black box (e.g. something that live streams the data) which is being proven to be difficult and expensive to find - as well as not completely indestructible (9/11).
    I think it's awesome that the box lasted as long as it did and helped to the extent it did.

    Sure wasn't powered by my Samsung phone battery

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    Re: that missing airplane

    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    It's still one of the front news of CNN last time I checked (along side Crimea and the South Korean Ferry disaster and more recently joined by the kidnapped girls in Nigeria). It does not look like they are getting any closer to finding the plane right now, so the only news is that they are expending the effort and a lot more money is being spent trying to locate the plane. As far as discussion is concerned, it has brought out the subject as to whether planes should be fitted with something more modern than a black box (e.g. something that live streams the data) which is being proven to be difficult and expensive to find - as well as not completely indestructible (9/11).
    They didn't find the blackboxes from 9/11? Now if I were Melon I'd be shouting conspiracy...

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    Re: that missing airplane

    black boxes will need to stay whether or not they live stream - removes the chance of someone nefariously disrupting the streaming to hide some sinister intent.

    Interesting to think that the black boxes came about due to the early comet jet liners dropping out the sky and disintegrating in flight! Killed off the UK jet industry that one, and it was only cos we were first out the gate with the tech, Boeing admit they didn't know it would happen either, but got lucky with the findings and were able to mod their 707 in time...

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    Re: that missing airplane

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    They didn't find the blackboxes from 9/11? Now if I were Melon I'd be shouting conspiracy...
    They put a lot of effort into protecting them, but I don't think anyone would have expected them to survive something like that.

    Even in normal aeroplane crashes (if there is such a thing) a fuel fire can destroy the black boxes unless it's quickly put out.

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    Re: that missing airplane

    I read a comment by a marine engineer saying that he was surprised planes weren't, like ships, fitted with devices which release and float when in the water.

    Sounds like a smart idea.

    Although boats don't tend to explode, nor are they at the risk of high-impact collisions, so maybe that's why there's a difference. After this situation I'm sure someone is going to have to make it happen, though.
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    Re: that missing airplane

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    black boxes will need to stay whether or not they live stream - removes the chance of someone nefariously disrupting the streaming to hide some sinister intent.
    Planes can stream the data, I did wonder if that was part of what the pilot turned off in this case. Now if that stream replaced the black box and someone disrupted it, wouldn't that *instantly* flag sinister intent?

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    Re: that missing airplane

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Planes can stream the data, I did wonder if that was part of what the pilot turned off in this case. Now if that stream replaced the black box and someone disrupted it, wouldn't that *instantly* flag sinister intent?
    yes, but it requires a lot of effort for someone to be monitoring that 24/7, and with all the distances, handshaking, national boundaries involved etc who is responsible when something is detected. And then it turns out to be atmospheric radiation interference...

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    Re: that missing airplane

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    They didn't find the black boxes from 9/11? Now if I were Melon I'd be shouting conspiracy...
    My understanding is that the black boxes did not survive the crash. That's not to say there aren't people shouting conspiracy anyway (about how the blackbox did not survive yet they found the passport of a hijacker). I don't think many are calling for black boxes to be removed, but some are at least suggesting supplementing it with live streaming tech.

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    Re: that missing airplane

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    yes, but it requires a lot of effort for someone to be monitoring that 24/7, and with all the distances, handshaking, national boundaries involved etc who is responsible when something is detected. And then it turns out to be atmospheric radiation interference...
    Who is responsible? The plane owner. Nobody monitors the black boxes 24/7, and in the same way remote telemetry would just be stored on disc until needed. The only difference is that *if* you need it, you know where it is. Beyond that, you could set up some automatic alarm rules. If a plane stops streaming when other around it are fine, flag it up. If voice recognition says that the steward is screaming "we're all going to die" then best flag that up too. I'm sure other rules could be thought up, but first you need the infrastructure to get the data to mine.

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    Re: that missing airplane

    I think everyone has forgotten about the plane apart from the rescue workers and CNN...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    I think everyone has forgotten about the plane apart from the rescue workers and CNN...
    CNN have had more mileage out of that plane than the airline.

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