PIC: Aircrafts :) 56k Unhappy

[yamangman]

Some photos I took a few months back on an extremely dodgy, badly set up digi cam. I want a nice new DSLR with a 300mm lens thank you.

[yamangman]

[yamangman]

Oh, any advice you photography types can give for a RELATIVELY inexpensive solution for the above type of photography would be welcome (see, this isn't photo spam David) .

[Tom]

your shots there are good but just lackin the quality a good cam will give you lotsa noise and not too sharp.

yamangman depends what you call relatively in expensive Really, you cannot beat a dSLR for versatility and with them comin 300D body only for around £350-400 with the canon cashback offer, pair that up with a £150-200 half decent telefoto and you've got a bloomin good aircraft photography set up

[Howard]

Not bad shots for a crappy digicam point of view

I look forward to seeing more if you ever buy a posh DSLR

[Nick]

Dirty fly-by by a Lanc... superb!

And on the advice front... I know bugger all about cameras, having once taken a very close up pic of my own cheek with one of those wafer thin digi-cams...

[starside]

film, film, film. get yourself a film slr and get a digital; SLr in about 5 years time.

[Howard]

But no one uses film anymore, and it's such a pain in the ass once you've taken photos to do anything with :|

[Grm]

3rd picture down, looks like a Superman Badge.

[Steve]

3rd picture down, looks like a Superman Badge.

Yeah... I'm gonna go with a big fat NO on that one.

[Grm]

Yeah... I'm gonna go with a big fat NO on that one.

I dont mean the smoke, the lens flare right next to the smoke.

Hmm, i think i need to go see a psychiatrist *spelling* i always seem to see weird things from nothing.

[Steve]

I dont mean the smoke, the lens flare right next to the smoke.

Blimey. Anyway, nice pics - shame about the IQ though.

[shiato storm]

But no one uses film anymore, and it's such a pain in the ass once you've taken photos to do anything with :|

ah yes but then this is where I spend a great deal of my time pondering the benefits of both digital AND film. Both have merits as well as fall backs.
first though I'd like to add a comment I heard today about a neighbour who has a compact camera (35mm) and lent it to her 9(?)yr old son, it went something like this:
*snap*
"eh! where's the picture? why can't I see it come up on a screen?"
"these don't work like that dear."
"Oh, so can we plug it into the computer and see the pictures then?"
"No dear we have to take it to boots in the morning."
"oh, ok..."[slightly unsure of why this is necessary].
*in boots the next day*
"right, so thy'll be ready in an hour."
"what?[Angry kid now] a HOUR? Why can't we have them NOW?!"
"becaue its film dear, it needs to be developed and printed by someone at boots so we can get the pictures we took."
"oh... What?"
"it doesn't work with a computer"
"eh?"
"it needs to be d-e-v-e-l-o-p-e-d first...its not digital."
"ooooh...what?"

etc.

kids today seem to really have no clue which I think is a shame. does this spell the end of film as we know it? I hope not. personally I love nothing more than to get some cracking prints from the darkroom and truely feel its all my own work..not some 'black box' technology handled by a few filters in photoshop that I have no idea how they work.

so film and digital pro's and con's...digital is accessable by everyone for pictures you can see instantly. film means you need to take them away and process them at boots (or if you have the time, do them yourself). Image quality for digital cameras is getting better all the time and consures can get their hands on a camera that produces results pretty much identical to their 35mm cousin - at least at the size they would normally be printed to for family album etc 6x4, 7x5...up to about 8x10 or 12x10. beyond these sizes film - particularly slide films - have NO equal. no matter who you are or what you do, digital is still whooped up the bum by slide films. thats just the way it is. digital cameras have a finite resolution yet film has an infinite resolution (or analog if that helps) and so an image may be represented in a much more accurate and dynamic way on film.
Now, most people shooting film will trot off to boots, pay a £5 and get some nice pics. not everyone with a digital will go down to boots with a cd and pay up to 50p a picture...they'd rather do it themselves BUT this means having a good enough printer - say in excess of £100 for a good one - that faithfully reproduces good photo quality pictures...then again there's a limit on the size you can print off (A4 usually), go to boots or jessops or some good printer and providing resolution is high enough you canget a monster poster pic done!

so lets weight up the pros and cons a bit more short hand, lets assume I want a mid range SLR [so no sack of poo] and looking at its equivelent digital slr - or closest, and the ability to print off pictures too...ignor lenses in this example...
35mm: Canon Eos33 body £350
digital: Canon eos 20d body £1000(-ish)

so already spending about 3 times more for roughly similar camera - I know its not THE same but even compared to the Eos 3 at £700 the 20D is still some £300 more!
Printing:
35mm at 5x7 = £6.50 (where I am it is anyway!), add £3 for a Cd but that defeats the purpose!!
Digital = needs and Computer (£800 for a good one!) a good printer (£100? more? paper, cartridges etc... say £200 total), ok so it'll last a while but still, will you be guarenteed photo-quality printing on photo quality paper?

bonus with 35mm - less battery usage, everywhere accepts 35mm films, higher resolution on larger prints (though higher megpix count is seeming to come ever closer), compatitvely cheaper than digital and hence can learn basics on an SLR much much cheaper than a digital equal.
bonus with digital - less need to use chemical darkroom (i.e. NONE!) and hence image manipulation is much more accessable, everyone can do it and get decent results, can see results quicker than 35mm, less photography skil required (not to say those that have one don't have any but its a very efficieny learning tool for those who are getting to grips with it), digital SLRs can in many ways enhance an experienced photographer's skills through its many functions...


Me? I'm looking at the 20D cause i love SLRs but my computer's about a useful as a chocolate teapot at the moment so really wouldn't be a wise move just yet. I also plan on getting a 35mm back to be compatible with the lenses for the digital back and hence give myself the choice when such a time arises - best of both worlds
Its all a bit swings and round-a-bouts and really depents on how you want to have your pictures displayed!

[Tom]

most people have a decent enough computer so that cost factor is negligible.

Also a printer capable of prints indistinguishable from a set of boots prints costs £50 (Epson R200)

Developing and buying of film, if you take any serious amount of pictures is goin to easily end up being more expensive than dSLR after a few months. Never have the worry of 'should i take this or is it a waste of film' that ive had a few times, your able to shoot the same shot as many times as you want to get the best possible picture.

I seriously think that the quality of the 20D is up to that of 35mm film now. Conveniance of digital is far superior.

yes the darkroom can be fun, but most of the time it is just too time consuming.

I do think that film has had its day for all except those who enjoy the darkroom processing. I think all people should at least use the darkroom once just to see what its like, but other than that film is near to dead

[shiato storm]

i think anyone serious about photography should be familiar with how film processes work to be honest, then digital makes more sense.

[autopilot]

I live near(ish) an RAF base. About 4 months ago me and my house mate were sitting down watching daytime TV when we heard a hell of a racket outside. Went out side and looked up just as the Red Arrows did a formation barrel roll about 100 feet above my house. So close I could clearly see the pilots. Crapped my pants! At first I thought they must have been passing by but they did a full display practice for over an hour. Not only that, but because I live in the country will not many houses around me they must have been using my house as a reference point for they tricks - they where circling my garden and doing the moves right over us. Those guys are simply amazing. Got some awsome photo's if anyone is interested.