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    Re: Oregon School shooting

    Wouldn't she be better with a small bore shotgun? Even the UK occasionally allows people to own shotguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Wouldn't she be better with a small bore shotgun? Even the UK occasionally allows people to own shotguns.
    May as well just go full blown AK-47... then maybe she can jam to some Cypress Hill while killing 1/2 the neighborhood while protecting herself from the Clockwork Orange dystopia...

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    Re: Oregon School shooting

    11 year old boy kills 8 year old girl with a shotgun. I guess it does prove that shotgun can be accurately used(/tragically misused) by someone who isn't a full grown man. So I guess that it might just work for that disabled lady. I really would've thought that the recoil would be too much, but I know nothing about gun recoils other than.. well, CS.
    (In this case, the parents definitely have much to answer to in my opinion. But regardless of what crime statistics may imply/be interpreted to imply, the thought that I could expire on the whim of a kid is really quite terrifying)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Wouldn't she be better with a small bore shotgun? Even the UK occasionally allows people to own shotguns.
    Actually, no, for several reasons. Semi-automatic .410 shotguns are thin on the ground, although you can find them in both AR and AK platforms. Unfortunately gun control laws require shotguns to have barrels over 18" increasing the weight of what is already a heavy barrel, and making them less suitable for people with limited mobility. The .410 cartridge throws out about twice the muzzle energy of a 9mm from a 16" barrel, which means a lot more recoil. The other issue is magazine capacity. The AR platform .410 gives you about 15 rounds, compared to 30+ in 9mm, and we're assuming this weaker individual might have difficulty with magazine changes. The 9mm carbine has the advantage of lighter weight, recoil and maneuverability in a confined space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoLS View Post
    May as well just go full blown AK-47... then maybe she can jam to some Cypress Hill while killing 1/2 the neighborhood while protecting herself from the Clockwork Orange dystopia...
    If that's the advice you'd give your friend, then I think she needs better friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    If that's the advice you'd give your friend, then I think she needs better friends.
    I wouldn't advise a disabled senior to buy any gun. Feel like 3 out of 4 of my posts in this thread are being trolled, so figured I'd just join the game. It's a shame the Clockwork Orange reference got missed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoLS View Post
    I wouldn't advise a disabled senior to buy any gun.
    Why not? If you need to be able to defend yourself, doesn't she?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    Why not? If you need to be able to defend yourself, doesn't she?
    I live alone in Rural NC, in an area that has had some issues with home invasions due to the distances that the local police and sheriff offices have to travel. I doubt that a disabled, senior woman lives in the same circumstance. And I don't really need the 9mm for home defense. I can just as ably protect myself with the 12guage, which I do use for other purposes. It's just a lot more messy, especially when fired indoors.

    /out

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoLS View Post
    I live alone in Rural NC, in an area that has had some issues with home invasions due to the distances that the local police and sheriff offices have to travel. I doubt that a disabled, senior woman lives in the same circumstance. And I don't really need the 9mm for home defense. I can just as ably protect myself with the 12guage, which I do use for other purposes. It's just a lot more messy, especially when fired indoors.

    /out
    Even if only people in similar rural areas should have the ability to defend themselves, it only takes one older woman living in a such an area to make my point. I'm sure by this point you see that this is actually a very simple logical argument.

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    Re: Oregon School shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoLS View Post
    The vast majority of the shootings on the Wiki page, during the 'modern era', were location of convenience - essentially, person A knew, guaranteed, that person B would be in that location.
    Oh, well that makes it alright, then. So long as the shooter knows their target and knows they will be at the school, my kids will surely be safe from harm there, then....

    Twist the stats any way you want and count the bullet-ridden bodies in whatever classification sounds best for you... Mass shooting, school shooting, college shooting, drugstore loony, gas station nutcase, waffle-house weirdo... I really don't care what you want to call it or how you want to classify it. It still happens.
    There are still guns in schools and bodies resulting, where my kids might one day be one of those bodies.
    THAT is the concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by GuidoLS View Post
    No, she's still out there. I saw here with the Runaways in the '70s, and as opening act for the Police at JFK stadium in '83. She hasn't aged a decade since... and she's outlived JFK stadium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tepo View Post
    Americans are far more into their history than we are from what I've seen
    Not necessarily. I own several swords, longbows, quarterstaves, bucklers and so on, and have spent many years learning to use each of them properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    ...

    I own several swords, longbows, quarterstaves, bucklers and so on, and have spent many years learning to use each of them properly.
    Now that sounds like a great idea for a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    There are still guns in schools and bodies resulting, where my kids might one day be one of those bodies.
    THAT is the concern.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/politic...001-story.html

    They are safe in California now!

    Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    They are safe in California now!
    Right?
    Concealed.... So what's to stop me from walking through the door with an M1A1 in each hand? They're not concealed, right?

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    Re: Oregon School shooting

    From the link above:
    As a parent I feel more comfortable with my children having a weapon on campus rather than a dildo," read another.
    Looking at what is taboo when it comes to entertainment in the US, I am not surprised that some people hold such views, but I still find it kind of twisted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    Concealed.... So what's to stop me from walking through the door with an M1A1 in each hand? They're not concealed, right?

    Open carry is not generally allowed in California. Obviously this rule will prevent mass shootings because reasons.

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