Swearing not allowed - but gun discussions are?

[Ttaskmaster]

Quite. And few discussions are improved by slang (which is generally what we regard as swearing is) when there is the whole richness of the English language to pick from.

I would strongly argue that slang in general is not profane, while swearing is... and the former definitely adds character to the discussion!

I have the bottle to throw ace shade at basics like you while you bang on about the aggro, but I'll clear off sharpish and you'll be chuffed at the nice one I done.

And there's those debatable ones above, which these days are more colourful British expressions seemingly meaningless to anyone outside the UK... I remember hearing that the F-word was once a perfectly acceptable term to use in polite formal dinner conversation - You'd have to be one smooth-talking bar steward to argue that today!!

On the (questionable) assumption that you meant that seriously (which I rather doubt) .... no.

Mostly not serious... mostly...

I'm not quite sure how you extended what I said to get there, but my point was that in asserting law should follow morality, it rather presupposes the moral position is clear. My university philosophy courses suggest that it's often anything but clear, and usually very subjective.

I find when most religions are discussed, there often turns out to be quite a misogynist theme that seems to result in a lot of offense in the mere mention of such ideas...

Personally, while I might not agree with someone else's religious perspective, and very likely don't share their religious belief, I certainly support their right to believe what they wish, and practice it how they wish, so long as they don't harm or cause nuisance to others. For instance, I draw the line at them regularly ringing my doorbell to sell their beliefs.

So they can explain what they believe, so long as they don't level it at or levy it upon anyone else?

[kalniel]

So they can explain what they believe, so long as they don't level it at or levy it upon anyone else?

Telling someone else what they *should* believe is not very respectful and from a practical perspective tends not to lead to thoughtful debate but instead heated arguments. Much the same way as telling someone they should believe that nVidia are better than AMD, or whatever, does. It doesn't allow room for people to hold their own opinions.

[Disturbedguy]

Now you're just being daft !

Seems to be par the course with some of his posts recently, purposely trying to be provocative or stir up some sort of drama.

As for the rules, I'd say 99% of the people on these forums follow them and have no problem doing so.

I've see many discussions where if swearing were allowed they could have become heated, no ONE knows how to properly take something when written unless its been made obvious with some form or smiley, adding swearing to that makes it even harder.

One has to ask, if you don't like the rules, why stick around?

[Ttaskmaster]

Telling someone else what they *should* believe is not very respectful and from a practical perspective tends not to lead to thoughtful debate but instead heated arguments. Much the same way as telling someone they should believe that nVidia are better than AMD, or whatever, does. It doesn't allow room for people to hold their own opinions.

I was more concerned about the more usual approach - As in, "It doesn't matter what you believe... you just must accept that you are of a lesser race/gender/creed/religion than my own, according to the doctrine/scripture/tablet/whatever of my belief, and thus I shall treat you as such", sort of thinking...

You can tell me you believe I'm non-believing scum all you like. I'll possibly even play with it and throw it back at you for humorous effect... but if you start treating me ill because of it, then we have a problem.

[ik9000]

Wow! This thread is hilarious! Now, let's suppose Hexus let anything go. Would there be the slightest chance this thread would have already become a bit like this:

FFS you F'ing **** how can you say such bigotted and narrowminded stuff as to say that xxx is better than yyy or that you disagree with me that zzz isn't the bees knees. Your momma must have been [insert nasty put-down] to have raised you the way you are you [] [] [] of a [] [] [].

Do you see the issue there? Why on earth would you want a forum like that?

Telling someone else what they *should* believe is not very respectful and from a practical perspective tends not to lead to thoughtful debate but instead heated arguments. Much the same way as telling someone they should believe that nVidia are better than AMD, or whatever, does. It doesn't allow room for people to hold their own opinions.

This ^ this with bells on. This is why there are huge numbers of people fleeing Pakistan, Syria, Iraq et al right now. Forced conversion or physical penalisation or worse. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35654804 There is no room for dictating to someone what they should believe. Debate by all means, discuss and challenge, but it is ultimately a person's choice. And if you get someone on your doorstep saying otherwise point out to them that even Jesus himself politely left people to it when they rejected him (Luke9:51-56). And he well understood the full implications of where that would lead for them - and he warns repeatedly what it would mean, but when they make a choice not to - what happens? No fire, no brimstone, no do-it-or-else I'll.... just move along to the next town. Ultimately the choice is theirs.

I don't mind religious discussions, providing interfering busybodies don't want to hold them on my front door step. That, I do ban.

Any sect who have quotas or targets to meet for recruiting is not worth listening to. I imagine Saracen the people visiting your door were probably of a certain well known organisation who do that a lot, and we send them along as well. 9.30am on Saturday mornings for 3 weeks in a row... If you need a good way to get rid of them one lady I know simply offered to have them in to pray for that they would come to a proper understanding of Christ, and another offers to discuss their misinterpretation of the bible by comparing both the King James and original Greek. They tend to decline either offer. Speaking of knocking on doors, and to reiterate the point above Rev3:20:

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

It's an invitation, an offer, one worth serious consideration, with serious - eternal - consequences. But it is NEVER forced upon anyone.

I find when most religions are discussed, there often turns out to be quite a misogynist theme that seems to result in a lot of offense in the mere mention of such ideas...

I've seen that on other forums, but I've seen a number of threads on Hexus discussing religion and I don't think they've strayed into that, or even got near it. I'll fish out the links later and people can judge for themselves. Anyway, we're slightly heading off tack - isn't a non-sweary, non-insult-laden forum a more pleasant place to post on?

[ik9000]

I was more concerned about the more usual approach - As in, "It doesn't matter what you believe... you just must accept that you are of a lesser race/gender/creed/religion than my own, according to the doctrine/scripture/tablet/whatever of my belief, and thus I shall treat you as such", sort of thinking...

You can tell me you believe I'm non-believing scum all you like. I'll possibly even play with it and throw it back at you for humorous effect... but if you start treating me ill because of it, then we have a problem.

This right here - and it's upsetting that people do that. Christians (proper ones) don't believe they're any better than anyone else, nor superior. The message is that we're ALL in need of God's rescue and equally in dire need. Rather than repeat an entire thread this one went through some of this a few years back:

edit: struggling with the search function - will post thread link later this evening

[Ttaskmaster]

The message is that we're ALL in need of God's rescue and equally in dire need.

Whilst I don't actually give a monkey's what you believe in, I potentially could take offense at that^ implication that you have judged me and the rest of humanity, found us wanting and decided that *your* deity is the one to save us... particularly as I worship at the altar of Gary Numan and believe in the Gods of Nvidia and AMD...!

The above is in jest and an extreme example, but still an example of how things can get far too quickly out of hand.
Whilst I am on a couple of similar forums, I come to Hexus for more grown-up response to my young and unlearned questions of life, so I would expect such a discussion to remain fairly civil here... Part of that is just peoples' general good manners, but part of the reason that happens is that we each take measures to prevent things from straying too far off the civil path anyway and a factor in that is the avoidance of language that a likely high percentage might find disagreeable. It's guided by a collective morality, I suppose - It may not offend everyone, but if it's likely to offend a good number of them then it's probably not a good idea... use your nounce and all will be well.

[eltel]

I get the impression that a lot of the posters before me have swallowed a dictionary or two as for the swearing side of things I totally agree with the not swearing in the forum as it may be fine for adults but not for children (they will have heard most of the swearing words at school) but it does not make it right here.

[Saracen]

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Any sect who have quotas or targets to meet for recruiting is not worth listening to. I imagine Saracen the people visiting your door were probably of a certain well known organisation who do that a lot, and we send them along as well. 9.30am on Saturday mornings for 3 weeks in a row... If you need a good way to get rid of them one lady I know simply offered to have them in to pray for that they would come to a proper understanding of Christ, and another offers to discuss their misinterpretation of the bible by comparing both the King James and original Greek. They tend to decline either offer. Speaking of knocking on doors, and to reiterate the point above Rev3:20:



It's an invitation, an offer, one worth serious consideration, with serious - eternal - consequences. But it is NEVER forced upon anyone.

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Never? Really? They had a pretty good go at it.

The group in question were the group most people would assume it to have been from the situation -Jehovah's Witnesses.

By the time of that incident, I had been at that address for about 10 years. At first, I was prepared to discuss faith with them. On one occasion, for about an hour and a half. The conclusion of that was that I was convinced .... that they had nothing to say I was interested in. So I thanked them and declared myself not interested. Shortly afterwards, I was unsurprised to receive another visit, during which for the one minute it lasted I informed them I'd had a long chat recently, was not interested either in their religion or discussing it further, so please don't waste their time or mine by trying again.

On AT LEAST a dozen occasions over the next couple of years, I received similar visits and again, POLITELY, rejected them and asked them not to keep coming. Did they respect that? Did they hell.

So for the remainder of the next 6 years or so, I got a least two visits a year. By this time, I was getting very fed up with asking not to be pestered and being ignored. So I told the next lot they were a right nuisance and how many times did they have to be told "no" before they got the message? I was told they had a list of addresses not to visit, and would add me to it. I thanked them for that, and they left. Until next time.

I had that "we'll add you to the list" conversation on each of about three or four consecutive visits after that. By this time, my attitude had gone from reasonably polite to outright resentful, surly and distinctly unpleasant.

So, cue that last visit.

I get some quite bad headaches. Bad enough that about the only thing that helps is a darkened room, pretty strong prescription-only painkillers and at least two hours of sleep. I had one of those (akin to severe migraine but not, I'm told, actually migraine) headaches when they called again. I had just dropped off to sleep when these selfish idiots woke me up, and my brain was doing its level best to blow my skull open.

As you can imagine, I was not happy.

I had asked the morons, on at least 30 occasions, over about 10 years not to keep calling, and even had a notice prominently displayed saying no unsolicited callers, including JH's. I have to wonder, what part of leave me the <expletive> alone they don't understand?

Thus incident was some years ago now, but I will still say, for the record, IF they have it absolutely right, and my "eternal soul" is at stake, then as a direct result of their actions I utterly reject them and their God, and prefer "damnation". Please. Bring it on. Anything to avoid being pestered by that lot.

To be clear, I have no problem with JH's. None. I'm sure (in fact, know) there are some on this forum. I have several in my family, and we get along very well. BUT .... on one condition - when they visit, they leave their religion at the door, and DO NOT preach in my home. If they respect that, they are welcome. If they don't, or can't, won't or aren't allowed to respect that, then they aren't welcome, and I will sever contact entirely. That applies to most of my family, too, who feel as I do, and have the same detente arrangement.

I don't care what anyone chooses to believe, but I have made my mind up and am not open to having people bang on my door and tell me I'm wrong. If other people don't mind getting doorstepped, and JHs want to doorstep them, fine. Just respect my wishes, that they have been told of numerous times, and don't come here. My eternal salvation, or otherwise, is my problem and business, not theirs. Any, and I mean ANY, attempt by JHs to "save" me will be utterly counterproductive at this point, because I'm absolutely unwilling to even consider listening to them.

[TeePee]

We have another group of, ahem, morons that knock on doors here.

[GoNz0]

Did someone forget this was the internet?

If you don't like the way a forums run pick a profanity that isn't filtered and go away to another corner of the internet




(awaits the mod PM)

[abaxas]

Did someone forget this was the internet?

If you don't like the way a forums run pick a profanity that isn't filtered and go away to another corner of the internet




(awaits the mod PM)

I just wish internet immigrants like yourself woulf frock orf. We were here first, stop trying to make it like the real world.

[GoNz0]

I just wish internet immigrants like yourself woulf frock orf. We were here first, stop trying to make it like the real world.

How dare you, I migrated here 2 years before you sonny.





Dammit mods, if I can't say it add it to the banned world filter!

[peterb]

Dammit mods, if I can't say it add it to the banned world filter!

We prefer self restraint and education!

[GoNz0]

We prefer self restraint and education!

If that was the case then you wouldn't have a swear filter

[peterb]

If that was the case then you wouldn't have a swear filter

Think of it as the rev limiter on your car, there to prevent careless mistakes, but you would never drive up to that limit All the tim, you use the red line for guidance!