Devil and the Deep Blue (Tory party) Sea

[Zak33]

Right....without decending into rude, offensive, or anything remotely close to ban-able behaviour,.....

Who you gonna vote for? Because like it or not, we have a large question ahead.

Bo Jo is driving me mental, with his silly promises and endless roundabout of what amount to daily lies.

But.. I cant vote Corbyn in. Not so long as I have a hole in my .... posterior. 4 day working week? Is he mental? How does any country globally compete with people doing less work?

And I cant vote green... how many billion to convert everyone to ground heat pumps? They need a calculator

And Farage et al

Devil, Deep Blue... Fire.. Frying pan... etc

I think it has to be Tory! God help me

[nichomach]

Well, we currently have a significantly longer working week than many countries in Europe, but it doesn't seem to benefit us productivity-wise. He's not suggesting that we immediately bump the whole country to that, but that we work toward a better work/life balance over a decade or so. Not really seeing much to disagree with there. FWIW, I will be voting Labour, but then (declares interest) I am a member, so there would be a strong presumption that I would! Don't know that it'll make much difference, however, since our local MP is Ben Wallace, a waste of skin and connective tissue, but reasonably safely ensconced.

[Zak33]

oh I'd love a 4 day week... who wouldn't?

Well... apart from all the people who cant work a 4 day week, supermarkets, shops, garages, fuel stations, nurses, ambulances, police, fire, army, teachers (school needs to be 5 days per week... there's alot to learn), farmers, doctors ..the list is enormous

[Hoonigan]

I'm voting labour. Corbyn, as far as I can see, is nowhere near as bad as the tory-owned newspapers make out and he seems to offer the best deal for younger people. None of the other parties will stand a chance and I'd rather emigrate than live another 4 years under Tory government. Capitalism is getting out of control and the Tories have a vested interest in carrying that on.

Also, I've recently switched to working a 4 day week and get more work done overall. I still have my 2 day weekend but I use Fridays as a day to to a little bit of work if I want to, otherwise it's spent walking the dog, doing housework or just having a tidy up. Just because the model doesn't fit nurses and supermarkets, doesn't mean it can't work for a lot of others.

[Smudger]

I'm struggling this year. I really despise all of them.

I'm in an area where whoever they put up from the Torys will get in, but the man in the role currently has a voting record that shows he's all about his own career rather than representing the people in his constituency, but all the others don't have anything going for them.

I will vote, as I think it's my duty, and I can't complain about things if I haven't made an effort to influence them, but it's getting very close to a 'none of the above'.

[PC-LAD]

Don't think any of them can govern. I'd vote pre brown labour if it existed, but I'm stuck with lib dems if anything. Tories are trying to keep their own *rse from being kicked by the public, labour is a bunch of commies. ukip is far right. We really need something fresh and vetted.

[DanceswithUnix]

https://www.whoshouldyouvotefor.com/ says I should vote Lib Dem. Labour were the only party to get a negative score from me, no surprise there. Hasn't much helped me decide though.

I'd vote pre brown labour if it existed,

I actually rather liked the Conservative/Lib Dem alliance and still don't understand why people knocked what overall seemed an effective government with stupidities of both parties filtered out by the other.

But New Labour, *shudder*. The interest rate decoupling move was nice when they first got in, but more than balanced by Brown stealing from our pensions and the trashing of our university system.

[Lanky123]

Certain politicians are very keen on evangelising the virtues of free markets and competition in the economy but suddenly clam up when the same principle is connected to our political system. It is simply unacceptable that our (realistic) options are artificially limited by an electoral system that stamps down hard on any new entrants to the scene (or minority players in any given constituency). Especially so when the main parties are so obviously in need of a scare from some alternatives.

As such I want to be voting for one of the parties most likely to put electoral reform on the agenda if they end up gaining some sort of leverage after the election. However, our current system being what it is...if my constituency looks like a two horse race by polling day and one of the candidates is a particularly nasty piece of work I may end up voting 'Least Bad'.

[Zak33]

I actually rather liked the Conservative/Lib Dem alliance and still don't understand why people knocked what overall seemed an effective government with stupidities of both parties filtered out by the other.

excellent point.. I agree. It worked far better than I expected. But thats because Cameron and Facebook Boy Clegg agreed to agree on some stuff and Vince knows how a calculator actually works.

[Ttaskmaster]

There is no way on the planet I could vote Labour.
Every time they've been in power lately, they have utterly [CENSORED] up our industry. When the Tories took power back, they were left with such a mess that the only solution was to implement things like Privatisation, and then had to shoulder the blame for wat was essentially Labour's mess.
Now, once more, Labour are threatening to do the same to us, essentially sending us back to the dark ages in terms of service and capability, but this time they're killing off our funding and our pensions too... I mean, seriously, do you people not like having clean drinking water, or something? Do you want to live in raw sewage?

I happen to utterly despite Corbyn and Abbot anyway, and have plenty of other issues with Labour, but for just the above insanity alone, they can jog right on!!

Tories are a mess at the minute.
Not looked at Lib Dems... are they any good?

[Saracen999]

I have a real problem with the upcoming choice.

On the one hand, I feel a compelling urge to vote - it a civic responsibility, IMO.

On the other hand, whatever we vote, we end up with bleeping poluticians running the show. (And yes, Ttask, I spelt that correctly, intentionally this time).

I can't help but feel that that's the problem - with our system, even if good people go in, by the time they get power, they're just another polutician.


To the more immediate, it's trying to balance several factors :-

- there are those I won't vote for, like Corbyn, or LibDems (for B-word reasons)
- No way do I vote UKIP.
- Brexit party? If it was a referendum or Euro election, maybe, but a GE, any GE, is about so much more. And beyond Brexit, they stand for ..... what?
- SNP. Can't, they don't stand here. Wouldn't anyway.
- Green? Umm, no. Just no.
-A plethira of no-hopers? No hope, no point.

And then there's the sheer pragmatism of voting patterns.

Round here, it's a very strong Labour/Tory marginal. Nobody else gets any close in the game. So much so that they're not even on the same pitch. Unless there's a mahoosive and historically utterly unorecedented upheaval, anything but Labour or Tory is a protest vote with the effectiveness of farting into the face of a hurricane. Utterly pointless. And a bit smelly.

So I think my choice comes down to deciding which I want least, and voting for the other. Or not voting at all, which still is kinda voting in that choice, and offends my belief in civic responsibility. So I must vote.

But it's with about the same degree of enthusiasm as I'd have if asked to choose between being executed by being burned alive, or hung. Neither, thanks a lot, but if I really do have to choose .....


Is it too late to emigrate. I hear Mars is nice this time of year.

[DanceswithUnix]

I have a real problem with the upcoming choice.

There is still time to be registered as a Monster Raving Loony candidate

[Spreadie]

None of the above!

/Brewster

It's very heavily skewed towards the Tories here with a local mp who votes the party line regardless of the issue.

I will cast my vote, I think it should be mandatory, but my vote will be meaningless. My overriding feeling is anyone but the Tories. The problem is, there isn't a credible government in waiting so we're going to gift Bojo the clown another 4 years or so.

It makes my skin crawl.

[[GSV]Trig]

Its a red or blue question.

Given the complete storm thats being thrown at Corbyn I'm wondering why the Torys can suggest something, and its the greatest idea ever, Corbyn makes pretty much the same statement and it'll bring the country to its knees.

Corbyn gets called a terrororist sympathiser, pretty sure if he was in league with the IRA he wouldnt get as far politically as he has, nor gotten the peace awards he has, he was actively trying to get all sides around a table to broker peace, publicly, Thatcher was doing the same, but denying it and doing it behind closed doors.

BoJo's trying to hide a report, which contains leaked names or Russians that have "donated" to the Tory party, this to me stinks of corruption and "buying" of favours further down the line.

People call Corbyn out, saying that he wants to tax the rich to pay those that cant be arsed to work, last time I checked he was actually saying that he would be closing tax loopholes and making sure that people paid a fair amount of tax, rather than BoJo's (And the Tory party for a long time) track record of giving the top earners tax breaks, saying that it would stimulate growth, not sure how that works when those top earners have their money offshore or use other loop holes, but still..

Interference from the US/Russia, Russia seems to be doing a lot of meddling, here and in the US, to me, government corruption is something thats meant to happen in Mexico, or Africa and backwater places like that, not here in the UK..

IMHO its becoming less and less about the government and more about other things, be it corruption, media smear campaigns and so on, there are a lot of people calling Corbyn out and trying to make sure he is unelectable, dont get me wrong, his pick of team doesnt help him but theres something else going on here, maybe I'm just being a conspiracy nut but when its more about insults that actual facts something stinks..

Oh, and what about Farage being offered position if he stands down, wheres the democracy in that?

[ik9000]

I voted remain. My constituency and the wider borough voted remain. The MP has a democratic duty to represent his constituents. So he voted.... leave? So he's not getting my vote. Shame as he did rather well on other things generally. But to not represent your constituents when they have clearly voted for something is a joke. Labour concern me. They start promising and descend into farce quicker than Alton Towers' Nemesis drops your stomach. So it's Greens or Lib Dem. The latter seem a more realistic option, even though I don't agree with everything they stand for I do actually think Swinson has something more credible than either BoJo or Jezza-Marx.

Don't get me wrong I'm sick of the lot of them and I know school children who could do better, fairer, and quicker with enough time for us all to play football before bedtime, but it's a time of choosing the lesser evil I guess. Plus I strongly believe that people did not vote for a hard brexit or even one in the form currently being discussed. The election is coming too soon. It should be a people's vote. Yet again it is cart before horse from government. First it was rushing into a referendum without proper study and presentation of the options, nor any attempt to poll/census quiz/whatever what people actually wanted from a relationship with Europe. Then it was knee-jerk responses to a non-binding advisory vote. Then it was years of indecision and spinning on the spot because they hadn't got any meaningful data to interpret why people voted how they did. Now it's an election which muddies the water further and all because BoJo knows he's screwed the longer he doesn't have one. Just look at how many reports are being supressed/delayed until conveniently after the election. We are governed by muppets. Muppets I tell ye.

[TooNice]

If I was voting, I would just go for whatever is not Tory/Brexit/UKIP. I'd probably make it easy on myself by registering in Scotland and just go SNP.

Between Tory and Labour, I find the choices far worse than pre-2015 GE's. I am not fond of many of Corbyn's policies, but even ignoring the big B, Johnson has proven himself to be the worst liar amongst politicians, and *that*, I have no words for. I suspect that Corbyn's rule would be damaging, but reversible, whereas Johnson's rule would at least as damaging and irreversible just by kicking him out at the next election. So between the two, I'd probably hold my nose and vote Corbyn. And if it was a three way neck to neck race with the LD, I would probably just go for them, but only by default. While I hold no grudge against the LD during their coalition days (I agree that the tuition fees likely wasn't sustainable), I actually don't know what the current LD represent outside the big B.

I would kind of want to see what a Lib-Lab coalition is like.

But, while I can probably find some way to be registered, and available to vote.. the reality is that I do not really have much intent on being a UK resident in the foreseeable future, so I suppose that it is only fair that I will leave it with those who will have to live with that decision.

[In reality, a British passport that longer allows me to freely relocate/work in various EU states *is* damaging to my future prospects, plans to mitigate that have already been set in motions; and if successful, I probably won't have to live with the consequences of this election]