school bullies

[petrefax]

gets u down whet the kid whos being bullied ends up penalised cos of it - ie: getting kept in or missing school etc, when the bullies continue as normal - happened to a mates kid & i thought it was an outrage

was never bullied myself, i was always a tall kid, and had a quick tongue so didn't get messed with too much, but my sis got a lot of it & its not pleasant to say the least

[Prodigy]

I didn't really get bullied although I did get a few kids trying to pick on me. My old man always taught me to hit them if they gave you any trouble - which is exactly what I did.

Only 1 kid kept on coming back for more. Sometimes he'd go for me, sometimes for my sister and each time I'd issue a beating but within a few months there'd always be another fight.

Some people are just messed up.

[SilentDeath]

imo bulling doesnt happen seriosly <edit> very often </edit>... ppl wont do it cos they know the consequesnses, but they do it enuf to annoy ppl and so teachers wont really notice, and usually in groups.

i found that teachers are <edit> also </edit> getting bullied now, one class i had the teacher couldnt control it and eventually left due to stress..

<edit>i didnt get bullied physicly (beaten up etc...) but i had ppl taking the piss out of my name and some other stuff but i couldnt really do anything about it... </edit>

[homerhassall]

Can speak on this as a former victim and I really don't think that everyone understands the profound effect it can have on a person for the rest of their life. If you suffer at the hands of others for 4 or 5 years solid don't underestimate the baggage that you carry for ever. The early teen years are vital in how your character, self esteem and confidence grow and once the damage is done thats basically it.

I too despise the mindless juvenille scum that ruin lifes and no doubt in many cases grow up to be adult scum. Don't have any magic answers although I think that the falling standards of discipline and respect for others have helped to agravatye matters.

Just wish as someone said earlier that we'd stop just neatly calling it 'bullying' and use the word 'assaulting' whcih is what it is and giving some attention to the victims as well as being much tougher with the 'bullies'.

[homerhassall]

Originally posted by |SilentDeath|
imo bulling doesnt happen seriosly anymore... ppl wont do it cos they know the consequesnses, but they do it enuf to annoy ppl and so teachers wont really notice, and usually in groups.

i found that teachers are getting bullied a lot more now, one class i had the teacher couldnt control it and eventually left due to stress.. ( = i got an E grade for humanities GCSE)

i didnt get bulied but i had ppl taking the piss out of my last name a lot and some other stuff which pissed me off but nothing i could do anything about...

Just read this one and nearly blew a gasket!!

Get real. Bullying is as big if not a bigger problem as it ever was.
You sound like a politician trying to minimize the problem

[SilentDeath]

no, i think it happens a lot more, but each event being less serious, but a lot more of them, or thats my experience....

i dont really think it can be called bullying either, but i can think of bette word atm...

(btw, my mum works in a school and she deals with children getting everyday getting bullied etc..)

[spikegifted]

I'm not trying to suggest that I was bullied in any serious way when I was back at school. However, when it did come my way, I stood up to it and fought it (both physically and mentally). Personally, I think the key part of it is that I understood that I'm the only person that can deal with it and to actually do something about.

[Knoxville]

That guy had no right to be calling anyone anything, i make sure i take up 2 seats on the bus by putting my feet/bag on the one next to me so i don't have to sit next an annoying school kid/old person. he just takes up 2 seats as standard.

It sounds harsh but im in a position to throw stones over this one tbh

him and the mates he had backing me up don't speak to me anymore, not one insult have i heard from them for 12 months now, maybe i don't look quite such the easy target i did.

the bottom line of all this is i spose that its difficult for teachers to pick out bullys because you wouldn't think he would have had anything to say about me

[Gubs]

Originally posted by |SilentDeath|
i found that teachers are <edit> also </edit> getting bullied now, one class i had the teacher couldnt control it and eventually left due to stress..

Ah, that'll be because they're not allowed to DO anything any more, except say "George - don't do that". Maybe we should have a poll on bringing back the cane...

I don't necessarily think it's fair to expel bullies, particularly if it's pre-GCSE or whatever, as you're effectively removing any chance they have of holding down a decent job in later life - by which time they may have reformed, you never know. IMO teachers should be allowed to dish out more serious punishments than a half-hour detention that the kid probably isn't going to turn up to anyway.

[Bazzlad]

90% of people who are bullied turn into bullys themselves, and unfortuanatly, I'm a statistic in that case.
But after being bullied by kids at school, my big brother at home and my teachers, what do you expect?
I got Anger Management, a counsillor and a Psychiatrist
(Part of my terms for staying in school) and sorted myself out,
I still have a short temper and won't take rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish of people, but the difference is now I don't see things which didn't happen (Someone says something and I'd take it the wrong way and flip)

So I can see this argument from both sides of the ship, so to speak...

I think this post proves the statistic tho, like knox saying

i myself have personal experience of them and i want to rip they're arms and legs off tbh
problem for them is that i can now

Everyone has a limit where they will flip, and the bullys back off, it's a part of life, growing up-IT SHOULDN'T BE.
bullying gets serious when the person flips, loses, and gets it worse from there on in.
I think schools should deal with bullies a lot more seriously, I should have been expelled earlier than I was, but on the flip side the bastards who made me that way should have been dealt with full stop.

Maybe expulltion isn't the right idea, maybe they should find the roots of the problem and try to help, this post should be about cause and effect, ways to deal with it, Not gung ho posts like:
"I was being bullied, then pulled out a machine gun etc etc"
Bullying and machoism are complete opposites. Bullys are cowards.

So come on, serious now:
How should they be dealt with? Expullsion solves what exactly?

[Ravens Nest]

From the age 5 to 9 i was bullied and beaten every day, it happened so often it become the norm i'd get that feeling in my stomach that it was about to happen and actually get quite used to it.

There were 4 kids who used to wait for me after school throw me into the prickly bushes, kick me, punch me and laugh at me i regularly went home to my mum crying with cuts and dirt all over me and my coat ripped to shreds.

Also at school i was targeted by the same two boys, at lunch or break times they would make a b-line for me and chase me kicking me up the backside and also taking pot shots at me with there fists.

The strangest thing when i look back at it is i let it happen, i never fought back and it had become a routine for them and me.

It was when i turned 10 and i went to a new school with a clean-slate, on the first day i was offered out for a fight normally i would be scared and back down but i changed that day and fought back and beat him until he started crying and i stopped and let him get up, he later became a friend & after that i was never bullied again.

The other kids called me 'the third hardest kid in the school'..strange as i knew loads of people could have beat me but they all kept there distance.

Another thing i think was i was bullied also by the teachers, as i was a bit slow and they would rather than teach me put me in the corner on a desk on my own, also i was very nervous and had knocked other peoples drinks on there dinners so the dinner ladies and teachers decided (you guessed it!) put me on a desk on my own.. no wonder i was bullied

[megah0]

I thought long and hard about replying to this thread and it is true, that people that are bullied do tend to become bullies.

I was targeted during the first 3 years of secondary school until I decided to fight back and actually use 4 years worth of karate and put two of my tormentors in A&E, I then broke the knee of a notorious bully playing rugby I intended to hurt him but I went to far although the PE teacher assumed it was an accident so nothing was ever said.

In my last two years I am ashamed to say I started to bully people in the year below me, if I met these people today I don't know what I would say to them. I have changed a lot since then and I do feel genuine remorse for what I did.

I agree with a lot that has been said here, something does need to be done about the culture of assault (lets give it its proper name) in school, as far as the teachers are concerened the most expedient thing is to seperate the parties involved in class. Thats great until school ends and the kids go home.

I have no idea what I would suggest to a teacher faced with a bullying problem as there are so many outside influences on how someone behaves, say Mike beats up kids smaller than him how do you stop him? You could seperate them but how do you prevent him whacking them on the way home?

You need to know the motivation behind the behaviour, for all you know Mike could be getting beaten at home by his parents and he is taking out his frustration and anger on others.

I think its a problem which is never going to go away and until the underlying issues such as home environment for people that do attack others I don't think the situation will change much.

[Nick2k]

what do you think should be done with school bullies?

i think they should be expelled and an injunction put upon them and the victim.

strongly agree

[steve threlfall]

The problem is that when bullying is identified nothing serious is done about it. Oh no 3 days suspension- you fools are giving them a holiday they like it!! kick em ut permenantly

[oddytomtom]

Originally posted by nichomach
I take it that you have some personal experience of this, and I remember my own; I think it's time that we stopped using the term "bullying" with all the Tom Brown's Schooldays trivialisation that goes with it, and started talking about what it actually is. Criminal assault, theft, criminal damage, in some cases sexual assault. We should deal with it on that basis, and expulsion should be the least of a bully's worries.

to be honist i cannot agree more, its all the same thing why should things change cause the kids are younger

they should be put in kids homes if they abuse other kids

[SilentDeath]

kids that do it obviosly have a reson/problem and if they bully ppl then there ****ed up already... lets not make them worse by kicking them out of school and giving them hollidays...

i think it depends a lot on the child...

tbh i always thought that teachers couldnt really do anything but it seems if they do attempt anything its usually enuf to make the bully scared and leave them alone (as long as the bully knows he will be punnished etc...)