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    Sony DRM hacking into your PC (rootkit and all apparently) Merged threads

    http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/200...al-rights.html

    scary reading if it's accurate (though it wouldn't be that surprising if it was!) DRM to an extent is fine, but not if it's going to start stealing my cpu cycles unnecessarily, especially when it's not declared during installation in the EULA and there is no given way to remove it...

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    SOBs!

    that is a VIRUS, a rootkit is clearly designed to misslead any users of the computer. In my books that makes it a virus. I hope someone sue's sony records for this.
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    sue? it's probably illegal to remove it - circumvention of copy-protection.

    i've been saying from the start that DRM on "audio cd" will end in tears for the common man

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    ah but will it play at all on a linux box ?

    another reason to run as an unprivilidged user
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    Quote Originally Posted by directhex
    sue? it's probably illegal to remove it - circumvention of copy-protection.
    However the legality of installing something that low level without your knowledge, and without any means to remove it after you've finished playing the CD, is pretty sketchy in the first place. The dodginess of the programming quality sounds particularly scary...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamena
    However the legality of installing something that low level without your knowledge, and without any means to remove it after you've finished playing the CD, is pretty sketchy in the first place. The dodginess of the programming quality sounds particularly scary...
    Bingo!

    I'll bring this up with my Computer related law lecturer on thursday, but i'm fairly sure its in violation of computer missuse act. Whilst uninstalling it might be perceved as violation of milenium digital copyright act. So much fun.

    The point is that this won't work on some platforms, be it x64 editions of windows, or users who don't have admin rights. Or people who run linux, or people who have portable music players, or mac users (but their not people anyway!).

    The other thing is a badly written program in user mode is bad enough, but a rootkit, a badly written tool been hidden by a rootkit, thats another matter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus
    I'll bring this up with my Computer related law lecturer on thursday, but i'm fairly sure its in violation of computer missuse act. Whilst uninstalling it might be perceved as violation of milenium digital copyright act. So much fun.
    If you glance over the comments in that link you'll find some well informed (well, they believe they know what they're saying and they say it without CAPS or txtspk and use punctuation and lists to explain things) points and commentary on the legality.

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    I was planning on going to the lecture using some of those points with a little bit of research to make me look smarter (i hate law, english is such an inprecise method of explaining rules).
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    That is sinister. To think that 99.99% of users would not know it was there or that it can't be removed in control panel is nasty. Surely it must be illegal if it can't be uninstalled and does not say so in the EULA. B*****ds. Must be a security issue too. I'm certainly gonna boycott all Sony products from now on. This only makes me want to steal music.
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    I wonder what it would take to convince a large enough mass to boycott all companies that employ such unethical business tactics.

    Nah, it will never happen--have you ever talked to the average user about this? They typically repeat the xxAA propoganda about the poor artists, etc.

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    DRM gone too far?

    Link shamelessly stolen from another forum, but makes for very interesting reading!

    http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/200...al-rights.html

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    Holy crap, that makes me MAD.

    DRM is something which should be in a wider public debate. This under-hand intrusion is a disgrace, and perhaps even illegal. If this kind of stuff was propogated by a email, whatever it would be regarded as malware or a virus, and if the perpetrators were caught, they'd be tried in a court of law.

    And the fact that it is sooooo badly implemented shows total lack of respect for their customers.

    I bought a couple of CDs with DRM on them before, one from play.com. I found they wouldn't play on my PC, and I complained to Play that they should advertise if CDs have DRM on them. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise. I was going to return it, when it was suggested I stick it in in a Mac and create a "backup" onto another CD, which I did. I believe that is my right. I believe I purchased the right to play this CD in any redbook standard CD player.

    Jeez, this stuff makes me angry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutley
    it was suggested I stick it in in a Mac and create a "backup" onto another CD, which I did. I believe that is my right.
    no, this violates two laws - the Copyright Designs & Patents Act 1988, and the EU Copyright Directive 2001

    I believe I purchased the right to play this CD in any redbook standard CD player.
    but nowhere does it claim to be a CD - does it have the red-book Compact Disc Digital Audio logo on it? no? well, then it could very well be anything (and in this case, it IS anything, but certainly not red book).

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    Yes it does, (have the CD logo on it), as most CD-ROM drives do. This also applies to many newer hi-fi CD players and car CD players, which utilise newer CD-RW technology, which the DRM software can detect. This prevents the CD being played.

    Since when has it been illegal to make a backup of your own CD, for your own use? I understood that was perfectly legal, as it is the right to listen to the music you have purchased not the CD itself. Let me make something quite clear here - I do not support piracy in any way, and I believe music (and software) should be paid for.

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    After they released the software they changed the EULA so they were allowed to get away with it. Otherwise, legally screwing everyone over using DRM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CocoPops
    Link shamelessly stolen from another forum, but makes for very interesting reading!

    http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/200...al-rights.html
    http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=58847

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