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    Santa Clause is merely the 3-Dimensional intrusion into our universe of a much larger 4-Dimensional Multi Clause and as such can deliver all presents instantly to all kids, whilst simultaneously ingesting copius amounts of brandy, milk and cookies. The "flying" reindeer are actually on the ground in his dimension but their protrusion into our mere 3D universe just happen to appear mostly up in the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    It doesn't agree. You say the force acts on the string, I say the force described acts on the object imposing the centripetal acceleration, your finger.
    FFS you're clutching at straws here. WTF is the string doing if it isn't imposing centripetal acceleration on the conker?
    Further quote from the wikipedia article to further reinforce the fact that what I initially said was correct, and that you, in saying I was only 10% correct are in fact wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by wikipedia
    However, the force with which the passenger pushes against the door is very real. That force is called a reaction force because it results from passive interaction with the car which actively pushes against the body. As it is directed outward, it is a centrifugal force. Note that this real centrifugal force does not appear until the person touches the body of the car.
    That pretty clearly states that since the force the passanger exerts on the car door is outward, it is a centrifugal force.
    The force exerted by a conker on a piece of string is also outward.
    Before you nitpick further, please go back to my original post, where it is pretty clear by the e.g. that what I said was an example to aid understanding. The force a conker exerts on a piece of string is centrifugal since it is directed outwards. The force the piece of string exerts on the finger is also centrifugal. I never denied that. Simply didn't mention it since it was an EXAMPLE of centrifugal force, not a listing of all of the centrifugal forces in that system.
    In fact, I've spotted another opportunity for you to nitpick, so I'll nip that one in the bud before this goes further
    Quote Originally Posted by badass
    Ahem, then why does the word exist.
    Newtons 3rd law - every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
    Centripetal force if the force on the object orbiting that makes it orbit rather than carry on in a straight line.
    Centrifigal force is the reaction force on the object thats "pulling" it in.
    e.g. I spin a conker on my finger with a bit fo string. Centripetal force=force of string on conker. Centrifugal force=force on string.
    You may try to argue that I was suggesting the force of the finger on the string is centrifugal.
    To do that you would have to ignore the fact that I mention newtons 3rd law, and specifically call centrifugal force the reaction force on the object that is pulling it in there. The only way that can be interpreted is that I am saying the centrifigal force is directed outwards and is applied to the string. The only object that can apply an outwards force on the string is the conker.

    Of course I suppose you could also suggest that I was saying that the finger was exerting a force outwards on the string, but you know that isn't the case and will be obvious to anyone reading the post.
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    So, Teepee has been online and posted responses, but not to this thread.

    Could that be because he cant just admit he was wrong?

    Go on - just say it you made a mistake and you were wrong.
    Or are you going to respond to this saying you cant be bothered. We both know that if you had a leg to stand on you would be posting here, picking holes in my posts.
    Or maybe you just won't respond at all to this since you were wrong and cant admit to it

    I know this is rteally sad, but I cant resist
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    Bazzlad nice post, but the Santa calculations may be a little out as you appear to be using a 1:1 Santa per earth ratio. I admit I have nothing to back this up as I have personally only ever seen one Santa at any given time, but I have been to three different shopping centres this Christmas and Santa has been there on all three occasions. I'm beginning to believe that there is in fact more than one Santa, now ...

    If this is true, I believe it would be possible they could carry out present distribution in parallel. It depends on the numbers of Santa, but there is a possibility that the time available, per Santa per house, would also allow consumption of Mince Pies and Sherry and at a stretch some sprinkling of icing sugar in the shape of foot prints.

    If the real number of Santas is in the thousands it might be possible for them to work some shift patterns so no one Santa would have to work the full 31 hour shift. All of which makes sense as the Santas I have seen have all be very jolly, if I had a 31 hour shift come up I'd cursing.

    If your kid's Christmas has just been ruined because they have found out the little secret Santa, make them read all Centrifugal forces, that will take their mind off the devastating news.
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    It is really sad.

    Now that you have changed your definition so that centrifugal force includes all outward forces (and not just a 'reaction force') you are closer to being correct within a specific rotating reference frame. There are plenty of examples which have no reaction force within a similar reference frame but still have forces which are, by our new definition, centrifugal, since they are acting outward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    It is really sad.

    Now that you have changed your definition so that centrifugal force includes all outward forces (and not just a 'reaction force') you are closer to being correct within a specific rotating reference frame. There are plenty of examples which have no reaction force within a similar reference frame but still have forces which are, by our new definition, centrifugal, since they are acting outward.
    I havent changed anything, as anyone else reading this can see.
    Still clutching at straws.
    And utterly incapable of adimitting to being wrong.
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