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Scan are out of stock of the Power Color X1950XT, and I was really hoping to order my whole new system this weekend, nowhere else sells any XT anywhere near that price (ebuyer is out of stock of the Sapphire X1950XT also).
Is the X1950XT so much better that it's worth waiting for? or should I just order the X1950Pro? - I especially like the Power Color cards because they're a good price and 3rd party quiet coolers.
I would wait for the X1950XT as it is a much better card then the X1950pro. The X1950 pro is still a good card in its own right, but the X1950xt will provide a much better gaming experience, especially at higher resolutions. Plus in terms of price the X1950XT gives much more 'bang for buck' as it is only £25 to £30 more then an X1950Pro.
Eclipse are not a gtreat retailer but they seem to have them in stock for £115
http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/prod...195XT256&af=50
Alternatively another bargain i accidently stepped across was an 8600GTS for the same price at evesham
http://www.evesham.com/products/info...8-F0C8A3DF4B82
Thanks for the link, but I'm really keen on the Power Color because of it's 3rd party cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biscuit
Depends what resolution you will be running at if it's 1280x1024 or 1440x900, most 17"-19" monitors run at these resloution.
Then you will not see much inprovement over a x1950Pro with a x19050XT but if you're running higher resolutions you probably want to try and hold out for the XT or try to scrape up a bot more cash and get a cheap 8800GTS ;)
I dunno about this statement. I would agree with scraping & saving for the 8800 but seeing as a mate of mine has basically the same setup as me except i used to have a pro whereas he had an XT his comp had far more FPS. Definately enough to wait a week or two forQuote:
Originally Posted by Pob255
The X1950pro wont be able to handle 1280*1024 with all the eye candy on. However I am pretty sure the X1950xt will.
The x1950xt is far superior than the x1950pro.
Sorry to hijack - but how does the x1950GT compare to the XT and Pro?
Thanks
Josh
For the price in comparison to the Pro and XT it might aswell not exsist. I imagine its proably about the same amount less powerful as the Pro is to the XT
The X1950GT is basically a lower clocked version of the X1950Pro. The X1950pro runs at about 575Mhz (core) and 1.38Mhz (memory), and the X1950Gt runs at 500Mhz and 1.2Ghz (memory). According to gaming benchmarks I think it is about 10% slower then the X1950Pro.
Thanks for all the info and replys - I'm actually going to be running it at 1680x1050, but I'm not a heavy gamer, and happy to leave the "bells and whistles" of the graphics turned off to get steady FPS. It's not so much the price that's stopping me upgrading to a 8800GTS, it's the size of the heatsink & fan on them all! I hate fan noise, so I'm trying to build a quiet box - any of the special "silent" 8800 cost a bit too much, unless you can recommend me one :)
Anyone know about this one? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=545081
how quiet would it be? Is is underclocked to be quiet??
Bloody Hell! In searching through reviews, under load, an 8800GTS draws over 280W! and at idle, just over 180W!!!!! how does that compare to a X1950XT? - is the extra wattage going to effect me having a silent PC, in terms of perhaps needing a more powerful PSU than I had planned on (450W)
Ok, I've answered my questions about noise! The EVGA ACS3 isn't quiet at all. It idles at 51dB and under load is 63dB. I'm definately waiting for the Power Color X1950XT to come back in stock! - which is only around 20dB with it's 'silent' arctic cooler.
Now you're decided, I'll go off topic... what is going on with your system? :\
http://www.thisisgav.co.uk/tmp/andaho.gif
I'm gonna be getting a E6750, Corsair VX450W PSU, iP35-Express mobo, and you already know the graphics card :P Just gotta wait until either of the Power Color XT cards are back in stock until I can order it.
on scan u can order the whole thing and it sends the in stock items immediately and then the out of stock stuff when it comes in.
...so long as you specify or request that option.
Yeah, but no point, because I wouldn't be able to do anything without a PSU or graphics card anyway.
Not sure what that Corsair VX450W PSU is going to be like.
Any know who makes that one? The HX are made by seasonic, doesn't mean the VX are.
The fact that the VX has only got one 12v rail is a little worring with out knowing the full specs.
full specs are here & looks great with a steady 33A on the single 12v rail! http://www.corsair.com/products/vx.aspxQuote:
Originally Posted by Pob255
And this guy Jonny Guru (who I understand is a very well respected PSU reviewer), gave it a great and very thorough review, and he took one apart and says " I'd stick my neck out there and say that this Corsair is actually S12 II based". http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=125
intresting review
he also says at the begining of that sentance "The three sink design reminds me a bit of the FSP Epsilon design."
Also the seasonic s12 II has two 12v rails not the one.
Given that it's got a UL number on it (although too blured to make out) it should of been rather easy to look up the manufacture.
But overall it does look very good for a budget psu
You still call it a budget PSU, but it's not cheap by any means. A budget psu is a <£20 one. This is a Value PSU...
I think it's stupid how so many people these days buy overpowered PSUs. This 450W will power the most demanding systems that don't use SLi; That review even says "It is too bad that the unit only has one PCI-e connector. Although most people don't have SLI or Crossfire, some times people use SLI or Crossfire certification as a mark of superiority. The VX450W has more power on the +12V than most 500W units and some 600W units and the build quality is probably better than half of the units on the SLI Certified list of power supplies."
I have a friend on MSN who is big into gaming and overclocking and I was asking him about PSUs: He's just built a new system, an overclocked Q6600 with 3 500gb SATA on a highpoint RAID controller and 2 SLi 8800GTX!!! - And I know you might think he's bull****ting, but he's a guy I did computers with at college 5 years ago, and now is a plumber, so earns **** loads of money, and wastes tons of it on his PC. But even he only has a 700W FSP Epsilon - So what kind of system needs a PSU that's more powerful than that?!?!?!? - It surely must only be server systems?
Since I've gone very off-subject here, and into so much detail in this post, I will make a new thread about this, and I'll post a link to it from here when it's created...
http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?p=1178068
Re: the thread title, i was going through the same decision, and the concern I had with the Powercolour was that it was listed as having 1400Mhz memory, where the Sapphire has 1800Mhz mem. To add more confusion, Powercolour's own site lists their XT as being 1600Mhz memory.
That just broke the needle on my Sarcasm-o-meterQuote:
Originally Posted by this_is_gav
I dont agree.....in that range particualrly, the 450W Corsair is budget.Quote:
You still call it a budget PSU, but it's not cheap by any means. A budget psu is a <£20 one. This is a Value PSU...
Cost doesnt always denote 'budget'. Look at the Hiper 580W......Definitely a budget PSU in terms of performance but not price.
Yes, I'm very interested in knowing about this too, I did notice it, but decided I'm still gonna buy it anyway. Apparently the Sapphire cards run stupidly hot and their coolers are gonna be the loudest thing in your case by a mile - I was considering buying the sapphire and the arctic cooler @ about £10 seperatley, but really worried about the card overheating if I did that - so I just want to wait for the Power Color to come back in stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smudger
So can anyone shed any light as to the specs of the Power Color RAM?
I'd heard it was the X1950 Pro that had the overheating problem, plus, by the looks of it, the cooling on the XT is the other way round from how it used to be. I think Kalniel's got a Sapphire XT, he seems to think it's fine temp and noise-wise.
I do. (*checks briefly around in case his GF gets the wrong idea*)
As I said before, it's noisy when it ramps up, but in my system it doesn't ramp up very often. Temp wise it's not great - it's around 70-80 at load, but it seems happy given that the fan doesn't ramp up until the 80s and it dumps the heat straight out the back of the case so it doesn't affect anything else.
The main problem with the XT I've heard is that it's fairly demanding on the 12v line - if you are lucky enough to have a single rail PSU you'll be fine, it's dual rail PSUs that can be a problem with this card.
The Pro is less demanding power-wise, but had problems with VRM cooling - I'm sure these are mostly fixed with later revisions though.
So one of those new VX450s from Corsair, with 30w+ on the 12v rail might be a better bet than the HX520, if you were also getting a new PSU at the same time?Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
The HX520 is one dual rail PSU you won't have problems with - it's a solid performer. But I'd take the VX450 over any non-seasonic/corsair dual rail for this card any day.
here's a thread about it being *really* hot and loud! http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=112472
I don't like the sound of it at all.
The more I'm looking at stock levels of the X1950XT the more it's dissapearing!!!! I'm really praying that scan get stock on the Power color XTs again, or I'm gonna have nowhere to buy one!
Save some cash and just get a pro. A pro will play pretty much any DX9 game fine plus u can stick £20-30 into your pocket (on into a pub :)) Alternatively have a look on ebay, people are getting rid of DX9 cards for stupid money atmQuote:
Originally Posted by Andaho
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sapphire-Hybri...QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Winfast-Nvidia...QQcmdZViewItem
There's someone on eBay that's selling both 256 and 512Mb versions, but not sure how trustworthy they are...
Took your suggestion, well, both of them; I ordered the X1950 Pro @ £92 and then went out last night :laugh: LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Biscuit
ROFLQuote:
Originally Posted by Blitzen
What a ridiculous comment. Is a crappy ferrari like a Mondial budget? NO.
Cost denotes budget. See the bit in bold.
Or do you make things up as you go along now?
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If you're trying to cool it to 60 at load then of course it's loud. It's happy at 70-80 and then it's quiet. Don't use rivatuner, let the fan's own software do the work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andaho
Think a tiny bit if you can.Quote:
ROFL
What a ridiculous comment. Is a crappy ferrari like a Mondial budget? NO.
Cost denotes budget. See the bit in bold.
Or do you make things up as you go along now
Of course cost is a factor.....but its not the be all and end all.
Take a top of the range Merc and a bottom of the range Merc.
Although still expensive, the bottom range one is the 'budget' model as its the lowest in the range.
Just because something is expensive doesn't mean it cant be the budget one! Comparison????????
LOL and how does that make an expensive but cr@p PSU a budget one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzen
I think you'd best work out what you're trying to say before posting it!
I agree with Blitzen. The term 'budget' can be applied to quality as well, if that's what the audience understand, especially as he qualified it with 'in terms of performance'. It's as if he were saying "this PSU performs as well as PSUs that are using the cheapest of designs/components/build quality, aka budget PSUs".
You seem to be the only one confused........i wonder why :vacant:Quote:
Originally Posted by badass
Going back to availablility, I've been told by eclipse that the XT is out of stock but they are expecting some more in early next week. Saying that, eBuyer said they were getting more in at the end of last week, then told me it had been discontinued.
Looks like the only one available is the HIS Turbo one, but that's getting into 8800 territory, price-wise.
Oh yeah. The dictionary's wrong, Blitzen's right because 1 person agrees with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzen
You're not the sharpest tool in the box, evidently. :mrgreen:
Flame away. (As usual)
Just because i couldnt make the comparison any simpler for someone like yourself to understand thats not my fault! :heckle:
With the amount of b0llocks you speak, have you considered going into politics?:tomato:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzen
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Originally Posted by badass
:sleep:
Swear away.....im not getting into this anymore.
If you have ANY valid points EVER then try to construct them rather than just posting 'LOL' or 'Swearing' because it really does show you up for what you are. :embarrassed:
Badass, be civil.
I have a confession to make here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smudger
I think it was me who snatched up the last Sapphire X1950XT from ebuyer :rolleyes:
I remember placing it into my basket when there were only 1-2 left (it kept fluctuating between the two every few minutes) and waiting anxiously at the order page for the system to reserve the item. Once it did, I checked back at all the items incase the price ended up changing for any of them - I've had the pleasure of buying something from both ebuyer, scan and dabs only to find out that a few mins/hours later, the price of the thing either increased or fell - "this item is currently out of stock".
This is a rather bad habbit of some web sites, the moement something goes out of stock they drop the price and when it comes back in stock the price goes back up again. :rolleyes:Quote:
fell - "this item is currently out of stock"
I think it's so they show up as cheaper on price comparasion web sites in the hope that you'd buy something else that is in stock.
But maybe that just me being cynical.
Blimey O Riley I never thought of that ( & I'm not being sarcastic!)... aren't there any rules to prevent that sort of thing? Guess the WorldWildWeb is still untamed. But it certainly makes sense now you've mentioned it... :surprised:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pob255