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    Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    Geforce 4090 will launch @ $1599 - October 12th
    Geforce 4080 will launch @ $1199 (16GB) @ $899 (12GB) - Available November

    The visual design of the FE cards is the same as 3000 series.

    They will continue with the 3080, 3070 & 3060 models representing "Mainstream Gamers"


    And fans of Portal will get a free RTX DLC
    Not 100% certain if this will work on older cards but can't see why not.


    Most of the video after the announcement of the 4080 is non gaming i.e. Robotics, Warehousing, Automoous Driving, Various Simulatiors etc...
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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    RTX 4090 (24GB) starting at £1,679 (October 12th)
    RTX 4080 (16GB) starting at £1,269 (November)
    RTX 4080 (12GB) starting at £949 (November)

    Where is that hysterical laughing emoji?
    The 12GB 4080 is even a different chip from the 16GB version!
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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_B View Post
    Where is that hysterical laughing emoji?
    The 12GB 4080 is even a different chip from the 16GB version!
    Yeah now you mention it, £$300 difference for just 4GB of RAM wouldn't make sense.
    Not sure why they just didn't do the 12GB one as the 4070 to keep it simple - god help us if the 4000 series ends up being as confusing as the USB consortium

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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    Not surprised by those prices at all, the public showed Nvidia just how much they were willing to pay for a GPU in the last 2 years, problem is, scalping and mining wont care about the 4000 series so expect those prices to drop once nvidia has sold all of those GA102 cores....

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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    I do like the look of that compared to all the 3000 series. Don't think I saw one I liked aesthetically. Thought they were all quite boring

    Having just watched Gamers Nexus video the 4090 is going to be a 3-4 port card with partner cards potentially being 4-5 slot sized.


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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    These GPU sizes are going to need a new case style!

    I mean, if I want to plug in a PCIe network or USB card or similar, I can't because the motherboard connectors are all covered by the GPU?

    So I guess we can either use a right angle adaptor to move the GPU away from the rest of the slots, but that's going to be tricky with PCIe 4 and 5 signalling rates. Or we could leave the GPU in place and use some of those x1 mining video card cables to route the obscured x1 or x4 slots to somewhere else on the case which might make more sense as they are probably PCIe 3 at most.

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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    "shader execution reordering."

    Well that sounds interesting, and might explain the power bump if shaders are now kept busier than they used to be.

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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    Pricing .... kinda what I was expecting.

    Spec .... yeah, okay.

    Real world performance uplift? Well for that, I await 3rd party testing using production cards but, looks promising.

    I think it's worth keeping the pricing in context though .... the xx80 and especially xx90 cards are not, and for a long time, weren't aimed at the budget conscious or budget limited. Even in the best of times (which these sure ain't) £1000-ish, and up, was always going to be a fairly niche market among gamers. Anyone with a business case especially for rendering etc might be a bit different but you need a pretty dedicated, and well-heeled, gamer to stomach those prices. As prices during the scalping farce demonstrated, that might be a niche group but there's still a lot.

    As for me, I'm retired with zero debt and a decent income. I could go for any of those and not have it cause problems, and while I'm willing to spend a fair bit on a system, I just can't see anything over £1000 as remotely sensible (for me) and even under that, do I really get anything worth it for my use case? I find it hard to justify. But (if they become available) a 30080 FE looks more and more appealing and, if i'm honest with myself, probably still overkill.

    Also, i note that a 12GB 3080Ti FE and 12GB 4080 are as near as makes no difference the same price. Hmmm. Or, a mere 8GB 3070 Ti and save £400. That pays for a 5900X.
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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    Real world performance uplift? Well for that, I await 3rd party testing using production cards but, looks promising.

    ...

    Also, i note that a 12GB 3080Ti FE and 12GB 4080 are as near as makes no difference the same price. Hmmm. Or, a mere 8GB 3070 Ti and save £400. That pays for a 5900X.
    The card is two silicon nodes on, 8nm to 4nm. That's a possible quadrupling in transistors, so a doubling in performance seems an easy target.

    I'm sure a 3070ti might do you just fine, apart from buyers remorse when a 4070ti comes out at a similar price with a similar performance jump. My worry would be the 8GB of vram which is fine today but over a 5 year timeframe looks a bit low.

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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    A number of the Custom Cards have been revealed

    https://www.kitguru.net/components/g...raphics-cards/

    Zotac would be my favourite - not that I intend on getting a 4000 series after only buying a 3080Ti in July

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    These GPU sizes are going to need a new case style!

    I mean, if I want to plug in a PCIe network or USB card or similar, I can't because the motherboard connectors are all covered by the GPU?

    So I guess we can either use a right angle adaptor to move the GPU away from the rest of the slots, but that's going to be tricky with PCIe 4 and 5 signalling rates. Or we could leave the GPU in place and use some of those x1 mining video card cables to route the obscured x1 or x4 slots to somewhere else on the case which might make more sense as they are probably PCIe 3 at most.
    Yes certainly makes going with mATX pointless if you want a chance at putting another daughterboard in.

    I went with an ATX board for this reason, as I want to continue using my soundcard
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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    The card is two silicon nodes on, 8nm to 4nm. That's a possible quadrupling in transistors, so a doubling in performance seems an easy target.

    I'm sure a 3070ti might do you just fine, apart from buyers remorse when a 4070ti comes out at a similar price with a similar performance jump. My worry would be the 8GB of vram which is fine today but over a 5 year timeframe looks a bit low.
    Yeah, quite. The 8GB is exactly what worries me, as indeed it was with my initial 30xx considerations, which is really why I was thinking maybe 3080 (10GB), even 3080Ti (12GB) when prices came off the scalping sillyness a bit. The extra, even at 10GB, gives a bit more breathing space.

    But as yet, we don't know what the 4070 (or Ti) will do when it comes out, though that assumption strikes me as highly plausible. More relevantly .... when?

    The pundits seem to be suggesting nVidia is low/out of 3080 and above, hence the timing of the 4080 etc release but that they are rumoured to still have substantial stocks of 3070Ti and down, which is why they are saying 30xx and 40xx will run in parallel until at least around Q1/Q2 next year (from Jensen's speech to investors). Of course, there's a fair bit of supposition, interpretation and outright navel-gazing goes into that, 'cos they haven't actually said.

    But any buyer's remorse could be months (6 or more) away yet, and that is really a game I could play almost indefinitely. And I've been going round the houses on this for eons already. I kinda either just want to get on with it, or give up bothering.
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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    so with the FE verions being:

    GeForce RTX 4090 (24GB) Starting at £1,679
    GeForce RTX 4080 (16GB) Starting at £1,269
    GeForce RTX 4080 (12GB) Starting at £949

    That's nuts. So an AIB 3090 24gb at under £1000, or AIB 3080 12GB at £700 doesn't sound too bad (by comparison). Sure the 4000 series is newer and yeah probably faster but they'll also disappear to the script kiddy scalpers for a good while before us mortals can find one (if we could even afford those prices, which I can't).

    It will be interesting to find out more regarding the power requirements. 3x8 pin is a minimum, but it mentions something about a new connector.

    Also did I see in the spec list it's PCIe4.0 not PCIe5.0 natively as previously rumoured?

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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    Oh re the 4070 we do know its date and pricing. November £949. They've called it the 4080 12gb for some reason despite it having a different chip and bandwidth etc. That reason one might speculate is to try and justify charging nearly £1000 for a xx70 model that has traditionally been the "affordable but still high end" sweet spot, and is now laughably not affordable. And this at a time of economic uncertainty and belt tightening. Greedy clowns.

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    Re: Nvidia GTC 2022 Livestream

    Quote Originally Posted by ik9000 View Post
    Sure the 4000 series is newer and yeah probably faster but they'll also disappear to the script kiddy scalpers for a good while before us mortals can find one (if we could even afford those prices, which I can't).
    It will be interesting to see if scalpers can get any traction now that GPU mining is gone. I suspect they won't given the ready availability of GPUs in general so if scalpers try and get £1900 for a 4080 or £3300 for a 4090 buyers will just say stuff that and get a 3090. But that could just be wishful thinking on my part.

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