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[kalniel]

Well I'll just sit smugly on my X2 for a little while longer

[sawo]

Im just saying that intel's policy is to release same stuff many times as is now and i dont see any reason to build new cpu with almost same features/performance while you can keep working on something that would be alot more powerful.And im not intel nor amd fanboy i dont care about them just like they dont care about me.I always get what is best and at the moment im intel user but that doesnt mean im blind as many others are.The only thing that saves intel atm is the fact that they can afford to sell processors cheaper than they really are.
I hope AMD will use this intel's temporary weakness and take the lead again not because im fanboy, but because this competition will push the technology even higher instead of having more "new" processors like the quads(they was called "true" by the press not by intel themselves but they are just as true as the old ones).
In 2 words - same crap every time.The press always spread rumors about "true" quads, "true" dx10 cards etc etc and after all there is nothing "true" in them.

[nichomach]

Sorry, sawo, but your posts are frankly bizarre; Intel doesn't have any temporary weakness. The plain fact is that in both price/performance and absolute performance in every arena up to at least two-way and maybe even four-way SMP, they're cleaning AMD's clock. It's only when you get up to biggish (eight-way and above) iron that AMD are still hanging on to a lead in performance.

We can argue all day about real versus fake quad-core, but in practice it doesn't matter to the guy buying a CPU whether AMD's interconnects are theoretically more elegantly constructed if Intel's processor cores are so far ahead in performance that they don't suffer any comparative performance deficit for being two duals bolted onto the same die.

I want to see AMD come back strongly as well, but the plain fact is that Core 2 is better in both dual and quad flavour than the comparable AMD offerings, and it's better for the same or less money.

[sawo]

Well, intel released virtually the same processors twice which is weakness to me.
Someone will say that they improved SSE and some other stuff, but with less than 2% overall performance gain the processors are pretty much the same and amd can take advantage of this by working hard and releasing something better.

[kalniel]

Like they did with the energy efficient X2, or the AM2 respin of the X2? Those chips changed even less from the 939 dual core than Penryn does from the Core 2 Duo.

[nichomach]

Well, intel released virtually the same processors twice which is weakness to me.

See kalniel, above. Die-shrinks and other suchlike tweaks are something that all CPU manufacturers do, and they're useful, not a sign of weakness.

Someone will say that they improved SSE and some other stuff, but with less than 2% overall performance gain the processors are pretty much the same and amd can take advantage of this by working hard and releasing something better.

Mayhap they can, and as I note above, I'd rejoice if they did, but they're sure as hell not doing it at the moment, and if they could, they would.

As I say, I want AMD to come back strongly, but they haven't yet and are not showing any signs of being able to. I'm not going to bang on about the erratum in Barcelona; Intel have done that sort of thing too, and worse (FDIV? Memory controller stuff-ups in Camino?), but even assuming that Barcelona was working perfectly, it's still not doing enough performance-wise to dig them out of the hole they're in.

[Sinizter]

If Intel are not showing innovation, why are they still the market and performance leaders with AMD nowhere close to them ?

The only inspiration for this must be the fact that AMD are having major problems in the innovation department and getting actual products out.

[sawo]

If Intel are not showing innovation, why are they still the market and performance leaders with AMD nowhere close to them ?

The only inspiration for this must be the fact that AMD are having major problems in the innovation department and getting actual products out.

I think lack of competition is the right answer.The whole ATi thing is really slowing AMD down, the lack of other capable companies helps intel too.Remember - intel is not here to invent the electricity again.The only thing driving their technology ahead is the competition.

[Sinizter]

We know Intel needs competition to give us good prices and new products - but there is no need for AMD to slag them off when AMD are not doing much.

[pauldarkside]

Maybe Dr Ruiz will be happier today after receiving a nice new C2Q and 8800GT setup in his xmas stocking.

[staffsMike]

There are a couple of AMD's which I think deserve appriciation at the least..if not love

1. The 5000+ Black Edition. It seems to have been brushed over but it's under <&#163;80 has an unlocked multiplier and easily goes to 3.2Ghz with minimal if not without a voltage boost. As it's on 65nm build it also manages to stay amazingly cool.

2. HD3850pro. Fantastic midrange card and everyone should get one if they are in the &#163;100 bracket for a GPU.

3. The reason I bought the black edition. Apart from wanting to give AMD a bit of support as they have been the more custom pc friendly chip manafacturer over the years, I was building a uATX system and was using the IGU.
Up until now there have been very few intel uATX boards which even have DVI let alone decent Itegrated graphics.
AMD have given us many including the 690G which I bought. Asus board, &#163;34, DVI, VGA, decent enough chipset cooling and features, perfect.
3.0GHz no problem. Less than 10 degrees reported temps () and a fantastic little pc

4. Is a suggestion for AMD. Drop the price of the Phenoms. If they hit the sweet spot of Intel's popular dual cores i.e ~&#163;115 they could really pick up sales.

If I had the choice of intel Dual or AMD Quad I know which I would have.

[Sinizter]

4. Is a suggestion for AMD. Drop the price of the Phenoms. If they hit the sweet spot of Intel's popular dual cores i.e ~£115 they could really pick up sales.

I think that would firmly imprint the "2nd class CPU" stamp on AMD if they did that. Maybe thats why they are holding off ?

[Pyrii]

I would apreciate some more competition from AMD, but at the moment, Intel just blaze ahead, I've stuck in the intel field because of the fact I need a workhorse processor and AMDs of the past I've had were more crash-prone. (May have just been the software, but eh).

Anyways, I have my sights high (8800GT, Penryn) and high-end hardware is expensive for 2 reasons, lack of competition and retailers. Recent popularity for both have RAISED prices far far far above manufacturer's claimed RRPs, the 8800GT range was meant to be $250 coming down to $200 in janurary (&#163;125 down to &#163;100), but prices are now nearly double that. Same for the QX9650, should be $1000(&#163;500) and falling, but is &#163;650-&#163;700 at the moment.

Let's hope competition comes to keep intel prices low and innovative, and let's hope retailers get off thier high-chair now that christmas is over and demand starts falling.