Windows XP - the OS that refuses to pass quietly into the night

[dangel]

Great news, that helps me the skip the bloated, worst performing and worst supported (driver wise) OS, that M$ ever made.

Considering its Windows NT6 I'd have expected a lot more optimisation, 'user friendliness' and better driver support since beta/RC candidates were released ages ago to manufacturers (not strictly MS's fault but they could have given them a kicking...)

Step back in history with me..

People said XP was bloated (they ran 2K)
People said XP had poor performance (they ran 2k)
See the trend?

Want to go back further? Just substitute XP with 2K and 2K with 98/NT4.

Drivers haven't been fun with Vista by any means but that's the price of a new (far better) driver model. I'm not missing the utter crap that was the XP USB stack for example. Equally I didn't use Win2k and wistfully wish I was running NT4 again (which, frankly, hated the hardware it ran on) or Win98 (which you rebooted just to make things behave all the time).

We. Fear. Change.

[pauldarkside]

Step back in history with me..

People said XP was bloated (they ran 2K)
People said XP had poor performance (they ran 2k)
See the trend?

Want to go back further? Just substitute XP with 2K and 2K with 98/NT4.

Exactly, and I've no doubt it'll be the same with the next major release. I've seen that much bashing I'm becoming immune to such comments - many of which are unfounded or unsubstantiated and come from people who've little to no practical experience of the product. It works well for me, my hardware and software runs quite well thanks and I can do more now than I could before, and easier too on the whole.

Granted it might not be for everyone or suit every task but it suits me sir I've not experience a single BSOD since nVidia got their act together. Stability has come a lot sooner with Vista than it did with XP as far as I'm concerned. All that remains is ironing out the creases.

[[GSV]Trig]

I dont fear change and my main machine now runs Vista64u, network performance doesnt seem to have cropped up yet so hopefully this was fixed permanently in sp1 and its not just hiding somewhere in the background.
My other problem was XFi based, but thats another thread

[directhex]

*i* prefer vista to xp

just think for a moment what that means

[dangel]

*i* prefer vista to xp

just think for a moment what that means

Don't think i'm not.

Weirdo.

[Agent]

*i* prefer vista to xp

just think for a moment what that means

It means, should you be forced at gun point to choose which MS OS you had to run, you'd go with Vista because being newer it has a higher resale figure than XP does

[Saracen]

Step back in history with me..

People said XP was bloated (they ran 2K)
People said XP had poor performance (they ran 2k)
See the trend?

Want to go back further? Just substitute XP with 2K and 2K with 98/NT4.

Drivers haven't been fun with Vista by any means but that's the price of a new (far better) driver model. I'm not missing the utter crap that was the XP USB stack for example. Equally I didn't use Win2k and wistfully wish I was running NT4 again (which, frankly, hated the hardware it ran on) or Win98 (which you rebooted just to make things behave all the time).

We. Fear. Change.

Not everyone fears change. Personally, I usually leap on any passing technological bandwagon. But I've learned over the years to be rather more circumspect.

At the moment, I see no convincing reason to move to Vista, and several reasons not to. The first of those is the cost. The second is that I can't be bothered to check out hardware compatibility for some fairly old but still useful hardware.

Comparing Vista now to XP when it launched is a very valid point, but it isn't where we are now. In evaluating whether to change, I don't care what XP was like years ago. I'm interested in XP now compared to Vista now. And I'm interested in what it will cost me to migrate, versus the benefits of doing so.

And on that basis, there's no case for me to migrate. Yet. It will probably change, but it will be quite expensive, a right pain and as yet, there's no overwhelming reason for doing so. XP does what I want it to do, and does it pretty reliably. Why would I want to fix what ain't broke?

That isn't fear. It's common sense.

[pauldarkside]

*i* prefer vista to xp

just think for a moment what that means

It means, should you be forced at gun point to choose which MS OS you had to run, you'd go with Vista because being newer it has a higher resale figure than XP does

Either that or those asterisks are placeholders for letters and stated from first person perspective but I'm not about to start playing hangman

[Rabs]

Step back in history with me..

People said XP was bloated (they ran 2K)
People said XP had poor performance (they ran 2k)
See the trend?

Want to go back further? Just substitute XP with 2K and 2K with 98/NT4.

Drivers haven't been fun with Vista by any means but that's the price of a new (far better) driver model. I'm not missing the utter crap that was the XP USB stack for example. Equally I didn't use Win2k and wistfully wish I was running NT4 again (which, frankly, hated the hardware it ran on) or Win98 (which you rebooted just to make things behave all the time).

We. Fear. Change.

Quite correct, the drivers can be fixed but considering the length of time the manufacturers have had to sort Vista drivers etc - with the advent of very high speed corporate connections to 'get the OS' and other resources, Im afraid the excuses are pathetically poor. As I said MS should refuse Vista Cerftication to p155 poor driver manufacturers to give them a kicking - slightly off topic but the recent Creative driver farce anyone?

Granted a it took a couple of service packs for XP to become wonderfully stable, did MS learn from this - did they stuff - OS file copying (to name but one flaw) etc - cant blame that on drivers....

Anyways no further comments from me, Ive given my view

[shaffaaf27]

god i remember when i had 98 and was listening to people moan about xp (2K by passed me for some reason )

then the same crap with vista.

and xp had more horrow problems then vista. esp with usb, and BSODS after alot of game installtions, that were made for 98

vista is a VAST improvement for stability over xp then. its 3rd part manufactures faults for drivers, nto vistas.

[Rabs]

vista is a VAST improvement for stability over xp then. its 3rd part manufactures faults for drivers, nto vistas.

And the OS flaws?

I'll shutup

[JimmyBoy]

I didnt particuarly want to upgrade from xp as its always been pretty good but since i needed a new license i thought i may aswell go with vista as it was the new one. thought it was slow at first but since sp1 vista has been awesome for me, im not sure i like the start menu as much as xp's but on the whole ive been enjoying doing typical tasks on my computer again
it installed quicker than xp does aswell which surprised me a lot.
im just glad i'll never have to use windows 98 ever again as most old computers i come into contact with run xp or 2000

[Biscuit]

Glad i got some people to agree with on the vista front! i quite like it and i find that when im just using my computer day to day its quicker to navigate around and more 'intergrated' (if you knwo what i mean :s), in the most part its pretty good and has been let down by quite patchy support with 3rd party companies. Even so they havent affected me to the point that i have wanted to switch back! only thing i have major gripes with is the networks and sharing wizard thing! i dont liek it all all.

[directhex]

don't upgrade. just get it when you get a new pc. job jobbed.

[Saracen]

don't upgrade. just get it when you get a new pc. job jobbed.

Generally, I don't get new PC's. I just upgrade the relevant bits in the ones I've got. One reason is to avoid paying for more unnecessary XP licences when I've already got (full retail) licences. That argument applies to Vista, too.

But currently, if I were buying a new PC, it would either have XP on it or I'd be buying a different PC (that did).

[dangel]

And on that basis, there's no case for me to migrate. Yet.

Don't get me wrong - I'm far from saying everyone should in all circumstances upgrade - i'm just pointing out that some saying Vista is 'omfg so ****' etc is to ignore history (in effect). I'm not planning on trying it on the eee

As I said MS should refuse Vista Cerftication to p155 poor driver manufacturers to give them a kicking - slightly off topic but the recent Creative driver farce anyone?

If MS had done that then it would of left most of us without drivers for a long time (reality). As is, we're still installing non-WHQL drivers even on Vista 64.

Anyways no further comments from me, Ive given my view

Funny you should say that..

And the OS flaws?

I'll shutup

In which OS? 2k? XP? Vista? They've all had 'em matey.

don't upgrade. just get it when you get a new pc. job jobbed.

And that there is how 99% of people will get it (along with hardware more capable of running it).