dx11 is coming out too http://www.extremetech.com/article2/....asp:eek::eek:
DirectX 11 will be available for Vista as well.
Seems Microsoft are keeping the reasons to upgrade from Vista at a minimum.
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so just dx10..... yet dx10 games are what either 0, or patched, or bioshock?
even crysis, it can easily be hacked, though its not fully dx10.
im not complaining per say, just wondering. i built a new system last year, so i bought vista for it, though i would have easily been happy with XP. though i wouldnt upgrade to vista from XP on a current XP machine, becuase truely there is no reason.
Oh, but we must. Get ready for all the people saying they're not going to 7 because Vista works fine for them. Rinse and repeat.
I think we're a long way off being able to draw such a conclusion - i never discount an OS without trying it. I'm happy to upgrade an OS once per three years - if the price is right..
DX10 won't run on XP period. Crysis as it turned out was DX9 all the way - it just disabled some of it's functionality on non-Vista systems. It was all about politics and nothing to do with the technical nature of the engine.
dangle, yes i do know that, i am not arguing against vista, i love it i use it, and i will move to windows 7 asap, as i like newer things, i am just saying practially, was there a need to make a new OS when XP could do everything needed?
For me personally I can say with a good 90% certainty that I can draw that conclusion now.
As others have said "Why upgrade from XP, it does everything I want?"....while that is true to some extent, the few things that got me to upgrade were pretty big for me and I fail to see how they will add anything quite that big in W7.
The bloat: Vista will still be fairly new and bloat-free from patches come w7 release
Proper 64bit support: hands-down the biggest feature of vista that got me to upgrade
DirectX10: Turned out to be a bit of a lemon so far and they state DX11 will be Vista compatible anyway
I can take or leave the UI changes (in fact, I detest the ribbon menus so there is absolutely no chance that feature is going to make me part with cash) plus I am not really interesting in any clouding or rent-an-app features they might implement.
Really unsure what they could possibly add to entice me....unless of course they pull some massive performance optimisations out of their backsides, which I highly doubt.
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look lads vista is crap. xp is god. end of discussion. ta ta
I think performance may well figure into it more than you think - certainily the political pressure inside MS on the dev teams is pushing them that way. The W7 blog provides plenty of interesting clues along these lines. W7 *has* to be faster out of the box - not necessarily because Vista is slow (it isn't for me anyway) but because there's a perception of bloat in the media. That's probably why we're seeing them strip apps out of the OS and offer them as downloads - well that and the fact that the download route allows them to offer more up to date versions. For now, the downloaded apps are free and i've yet to see any signs of CC related ambitions (for W7).
Will that 10% uncertainty let you view W7 with an open mind? I think like nVidia (who've also taked and swift kick to the nadgers recently) we're going to see MS come back much stronger with W7. They've already taken the heat for the new driver model (which was much needed) in Vista - easily the root cause of most of the complaints about the current OS. A tighter, slicker, more refined W7 could well be very attractive to most - and for the majority they'll get it anyway with their OEM PC as per normal. Resistance is futile after all..
Roll on the betas for us devs
I will certainly look at it, I am inquisitive like that and will have an open mind.
It's as I said though, unless it provides a noticeable performance increase in areas that effect me, I cannot think of anything they could possibly entice me with.
I would love to be proved wrong and only time will tell but this is Microsoft we are talking about and they are normally fast to hype anything new and radical, which makes me think there is nothing new and radical coming.
Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
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