Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 18

Thread: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    31,709
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2,073 times in 719 posts

    News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Top Facebook techie Jonathan Heiliger says OEMs are doing it wrong and is disappointed with latest Intel and AMD CPUs.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    11,048
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    944 times in 704 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Strix Z370-G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-8700K
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LPX 3000C15
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 960 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • EVGA G3 750W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define C Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MG279Q
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps Virgin Cable

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    How utterly unspecific, and unhelpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

  3. #3
    Look Ma, a Title!
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Milton Keynes
    Posts
    451
    Thanks
    115
    Thanked
    15 times in 15 posts
    • Arthran's system
      • CPU:
      • i5 3570K
      • Memory:
      • 8Gb Corsair Black
      • Storage:
      • 120gb Kingston Now SSD, 4+TB Storage
      • Graphics card(s):
      • AMD 7870 2GB Ghz
      • Case:
      • NZXT Phantom
      • Operating System:
      • Win 7 Enterprise
      • Monitor(s):
      • HP 24" 1980x1080p + Viewsonic Projector
      • Internet:
      • Plusnet Fibre

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    To me that sounded like:
    "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Our badly writen code/horrible applications don't run twice as fast when we get a 10% faster CPU!"

    Could just be my ingrained loathing of facebloat

  4. #4
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    11,048
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    944 times in 704 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Strix Z370-G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-8700K
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LPX 3000C15
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 960 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • EVGA G3 750W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define C Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MG279Q
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps Virgin Cable

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthran View Post
    To me that sounded like:
    "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Our badly writen code/horrible applications don't run twice as fast when we get a 10% faster CPU!"
    Exactly. They can't just throw bigger/faster multicore/multithreaded CPUs at a half-assed PHP application and expect a massive performance increase with zero effort on their part. They need to optimise both their app, and infrastructure if they want real performance gains.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

  5. #5
    Senior[ish] Member Singh400's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    2,935
    Thanks
    136
    Thanked
    310 times in 247 posts

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    "Top Facebook techie Jonathan Heiliger"

    Who? l2c (learn to code )

  6. #6
    Does he need a reason? Funkstar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Aberdeen
    Posts
    19,874
    Thanks
    630
    Thanked
    965 times in 816 posts
    • Funkstar's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte EG45M-DS2H
      • CPU:
      • Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (2.83GHz)
      • Memory:
      • 8GB OCZ PC2-6400C5 800MHz Quad Channel
      • Storage:
      • 650GB Western Digital Caviar Blue
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 512MB ATI Radeon HD4550
      • PSU:
      • Antec 350W 80+ Efficient PSU
      • Case:
      • Antec NSK1480 Slim Mini Desktop Case
      • Operating System:
      • Vista Ultimate 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 2407 + 2408 monitors
      • Internet:
      • Zen 8mb

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Heiliger saved his best broadside for the OEMs and server makers in the audience. "You guys don't get it," he denounced
    To me it sounds like FB just order servers from a catalogue.

    Do what Google do and cosy up to some manufacturers, not some OEMs. Then you can get your own systems built. This has been covered extensively in recent months.

  7. #7
    Will work for beer... nichomach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Preston, Lancs
    Posts
    6,137
    Thanks
    564
    Thanked
    139 times in 100 posts
    • nichomach's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
      • CPU:
      • AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 95W
      • Memory:
      • 16GB DR3
      • Storage:
      • 1x250GB Maxtor SATAII, 1x 400GB Hitachi SATAII
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Zotac GTX 1060 3GB
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 500W
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster Elite 430
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 20" TFT
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media Cable

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    In the vein of "failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine" with a side-order of Zuckerberg:

    Intel + AMD: "Failure of your crappy little piece of bloatware to scale is not our problem. Bitch."

    edit: and Funkstar's right; they should be going down the Google root of getting custom-built half-depth pizza boxes designed to integrate into a custom power and cooling infrastructure.

  8. #8
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    11,048
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    944 times in 704 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Strix Z370-G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-8700K
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LPX 3000C15
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 960 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • EVGA G3 750W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define C Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MG279Q
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps Virgin Cable

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Funkstar View Post
    Do what Google do and cosy up to some manufacturers, not some OEMs. Then you can get your own systems built. This has been covered extensively in recent months.
    Yup, that too. But I can't see failbook being able to manage or develop for a real server farm anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

  9. #9
    Seething Cauldron of Hatred TheAnimus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    17,167
    Thanks
    803
    Thanked
    2,152 times in 1,408 posts

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Can't think why PHP based system would be getting vexed with current trends in CPUs?

    They are very limited to prodecdurally explaing the solution, as a result, parrallization isn't a fun task to do. As a result i understand where he is coming from. But he is still space cadet.
    throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception)

  10. #10
    Not a good person scaryjim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Gateshead
    Posts
    15,196
    Thanks
    1,231
    Thanked
    2,291 times in 1,874 posts
    • scaryjim's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Dell Inspiron
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 8250U
      • Memory:
      • 2x 4GB DDR4 2666
      • Storage:
      • 128GB M.2 SSD + 1TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon R5 230
      • PSU:
      • Battery/Dell brick
      • Case:
      • Dell Inspiron 5570
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 15" 1080p laptop panel

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    If he's really worried about the power consumption of the facebook server farm, he could always migrate to Atom Z-series processors...

  11. #11
    Administrator Moby-Dick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    There's no place like ::1 (IPv6 version)
    Posts
    10,665
    Thanks
    53
    Thanked
    385 times in 314 posts

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Exactly. They can't just throw bigger/faster multicore/multithreaded CPUs at a half-assed PHP application and expect a massive performance increase with zero effort on their part. They need to optimise both their app, and infrastructure if they want real performance gains.
    It does sound like a lot of the app teams I have to support
    my Virtualisation Blog http://jfvi.co.uk Virtualisation Podcast http://vsoup.net

  12. #12
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    11,048
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    944 times in 704 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Strix Z370-G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-8700K
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LPX 3000C15
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 960 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • EVGA G3 750W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define C Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MG279Q
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps Virgin Cable

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moby-Dick View Post
    It does sound like a lot of the app teams I have to support
    That does not suprise me in the least. CS grads actually get pumped out of university with that mentality drilled into them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

  13. #13
    Will work for beer... nichomach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Preston, Lancs
    Posts
    6,137
    Thanks
    564
    Thanked
    139 times in 100 posts
    • nichomach's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3
      • CPU:
      • AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 95W
      • Memory:
      • 16GB DR3
      • Storage:
      • 1x250GB Maxtor SATAII, 1x 400GB Hitachi SATAII
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Zotac GTX 1060 3GB
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 500W
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster Elite 430
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 20" TFT
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media Cable

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moby-Dick View Post
    It does sound like a lot of the app teams I have to support
    I remember a department of a company that I used to work for that was supposed to be developing software that used Oracle as an underlying database. They didn't like the IT department much, basically because they kept screwing their machines up and then having to ask us to fix them; if I tell you that these losers hard-coded IP addresses into their software, that'll probably give you the idea... So they bought a flashy multiprocessor SPARC box to run Oracle on, and a copy of Oracle. With a single processor license. And then wondered why it didn't work very well. And got very cross when things were explained to them, along with a suggestion that if they'd asked us in the first place, then... They had "issues" with scalability as well...

  14. #14
    Not a good person scaryjim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Gateshead
    Posts
    15,196
    Thanks
    1,231
    Thanked
    2,291 times in 1,874 posts
    • scaryjim's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Dell Inspiron
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 8250U
      • Memory:
      • 2x 4GB DDR4 2666
      • Storage:
      • 128GB M.2 SSD + 1TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon R5 230
      • PSU:
      • Battery/Dell brick
      • Case:
      • Dell Inspiron 5570
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 15" 1080p laptop panel

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by nichomach View Post
    They had "issues" with scalability as well...
    I don't think scalability was their biggest issue...

  15. #15
    Senior Member Hicks12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Plymouth-SouthWest
    Posts
    6,586
    Thanks
    1,070
    Thanked
    340 times in 293 posts
    • Hicks12's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z68-V
      • CPU:
      • Intel i5 2500k@4ghz, cooled by EK Supreme HF
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Kingston hyperX ddr3 PC3-12800 1600mhz
      • Storage:
      • 64GB M4/128GB M4 / WD 640GB AAKS / 1TB Samsung F3
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Palit GTX460 @ 900Mhz Core
      • PSU:
      • 675W ThermalTake ThoughPower XT
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-A70 with modded top for 360mm rad
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Professional 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell U2311H IPS
      • Internet:
      • 10mb/s cable from virgin media

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Sounds silly because amd and intel have both had big jumps in performance for cpu's, intels uses more power but is the fastest with AMD being hugely efficient in power usage and a bit slower. Alot of the time software is the issue so they should sort it out on their end first then have a go at amd/intel not the other way around.
    Quote Originally Posted by snootyjim View Post
    Trust me, go into any local club and shout "I've got dual Nehalem Xeons" and all of the girls will practically collapse on the spot at the thought of your e-penis

  16. #16
    Gentoo Ricer
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Galway
    Posts
    11,048
    Thanks
    1,016
    Thanked
    944 times in 704 posts
    • aidanjt's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Strix Z370-G
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7-8700K
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsiar LPX 3000C15
      • Storage:
      • 500GB Samsung 960 EVO
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0
      • PSU:
      • EVGA G3 750W
      • Case:
      • Fractal Design Define C Mini
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Asus MG279Q
      • Internet:
      • 240mbps Virgin Cable

    Re: News - Facebook thinks server-makers ?don?t get it?

    Oh, and I also very much look forward to the day that Failbook uses SSDs on their database servers. Please, go right ahead, right now in fact. The sooner the better.

    It's about the only thing that will make me love JMicron controllers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    ...every time Creative bring out a new card range their advertising makes it sound like they have discovered a way to insert a thousand Chuck Norris super dwarfs in your ears...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Quick question about DHCP server in Win Server 2003
    By latrosicarius in forum Networking and Broadband
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 24-05-2006, 06:07 PM
  2. BF2 patch tomorrow
    By Tobeman in forum Gaming
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-10-2005, 04:43 PM
  3. Sharepoint
    By Vini in forum Software
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 21-07-2005, 05:09 PM
  4. Building a Home Server....
    By EtheAv8r in forum PC Hardware and Components
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-12-2004, 08:17 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •