So rather than Apple developing a better alternative, they cut consumers from the choice of having Flash in their system? And you agree with that??
You should follow what Apple says and uninstall your Flash from your PC right now.
You know what is the most hypocritical thing is? I am sure Jobs has Flash in his Macbook at work
I don't have flash installed at home or work, and you know what..I get by just fine without it.Originally Posted by usxhe190
So rather than Apple developing a better alternative, they cut consumers from the choice of having Flash in their system? And you agree with that??
You should follow what Apple says and uninstall your Flash from your PC right now.
You know what is the most hypocritical thing is? I am sure Jobs has Flash in his Macbook at work
Yes I agree with apple not including/supporting flash..and simply put if consumers don't like it - vote with your feet and switch to a different platform if it is really that critical..
Google streetview
This makes a good job of rebutting every point Steve makes:
http://jessewarden.com/2010/04/steve...-the-lies.html
I thought that streetview worked on the iPhone anyway though as of 2.2..? So it may require it on the pc/mac but on the device in question..
That's great for you. Now imagine you didn't have a choice like that. You were forced to use Flash. That's what Apple is. They force people to use what Apple wants. Microsoft used to do that as well but they got shot for it.
On your second point, so in that case, Apple is a hypocrite in what they said. They should just say what you said. I.e. "we are a closed system. This is what we offer. If you join us, you won't get Flash as we hate it." rather than trying to explain how Flash is a closed system etc etc.
Edit - They are so much like their own Apple 1984 commerical, it's ridiculous. Throughout the computing times, everyone faught for interoperality and Apple is going backwards with all their closed system. Lucky they only have a small market share.
Last edited by usxhe190; 30-04-2010 at 11:46 AM.
No one is "forced" to use anything - just don't buy that device. If that is a feature or limitation (depending on how you see it..like the old bug/feature hehe) of said device, and that doesn't fit with what you want, then don't buy it. There is not even a "XZY company has a monopoly so I don't have a choice" argument here like people try to make with Microsoft - there is a huge amount of choice in the market and as you say they don't have a huge slice themselves
I agree Apple are hypocritical in their argument..I think Steve has tried to explain it away in totally the wrong way - the iPhone is far from being an open system and is incredibly closed/proprietary.
As far as I'm concerned, flash is awful. It's given rise to all manner of security problems, not to mention the performance issues.
But of course, at a time when we can't even agree what video codecs should be supported by HTML5 web browsers, it's still the best option for video playback and games across all platforms.
Jobs make some good points, despite his hypocrisy for criticising a closed system. Apple wants to make sure software running on its products don't ruin battery life, and all use a decent UI - flash jeopardises both of those things.
Being a person who possesses no Apple products, I don't really care if there is no flash on the their platform. But, interestingly, if it spurs migration to other means of online video distribution across all platforms, it might be a good thing.
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There are two different issues being confused here. It's none of your fault, it's a deliberate act by Steve Jobs to confuse you.
Firstly, Flash as a plugin. It sucks, the iPhone can't handle it to the extent that users would like it (hell, Wifey's C2D can't cope with some of her Flash-based Facebook games). I have no issues with the lack of Flash on iPhone, and frankly, it's a garbge feature on my Hero.
Secondly, there's Flash as a development platform. In the latest iPhone OS developer agreement, they added a clause which made it forbidden to develop an app unless written in ObjC, C++, or Javascript - a move to eliminate usage of Flash and Actionscript apps, as authored in Creative Suite 5. This is another matter - there's nothing wrong with Flash as a platform for developing apps. And if the apps suck, nobody will use them. It's entirely disingenuous for Stevey to suggest that using ObjC leads to better apps by definition - it doesn't. It's a ploy to prevent app authors from writing an app in CS5, then clicking once to publish to iPhone OS, Android, WebOS, etc. Steve Jobs is doing the phobile equivalent of banning development of apps which aren't ground-up IE6-only. It's wrong - and it harms other development platforms by association which act as pleasing middleware for developers, such as MonoTouch allowing development of full iPhone-specific apps in C#.
Apple are not protecting you the consumer - anyone who thinks Apple care about their best interests is mentally subnormal. What they're doing is crippling cross-platform development, by wielding their dominant market status, and harming innovation in the process. They're being 1990s Microsoft. Don't thank them for it.
For years I've wondered why Flash games seem to suck so much CPU power, but it would be quite ironic IF (imagine that was in bold, underlined and in font 72) this somehow lead to the beginning of a decline in Flash games given that both AMD and nVidia are bringing GPU acceleration for Flash.
If the reason one doesn't like flash is due to stability or performance characteristics, then all one has to do is specify that any app has to pass stability and performance testing. Then all users get to benefit from higher quality apps.
Banning a tool to aid app development is nothing to do with user benefit.
I've included some of these and a bunch of other responses, including one from Adobe, in a recent piece.
Exactly how significant are the 'security issues' compared to the ones that's undoubtedly there with every browser/OS?
This ^
Can't wait for Steve's bubble to burst frankly. He needs to get over himself, not to mention get a new wardrobe. His dress sense gives geeks a bad name.
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