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Read more.Pretty much everyone seems to be disappointed with the new mobile partnership, but what were they expecting.
Would you buy a Nokia smartphone now knowing that Symbian is being shelved. When will WM7 appear on Nokia devices. All the time we wait, all the more sales Nokia looses.
I love the look of the new E7 but wouldn't touch it because of the software. Shame.
More importantly, no successor to the N900. Fail.
Originally Posted by Agent
Surely the odds of winning the lottery are higher than Nokia's shares recovering..
Nokia has been unofficially sold to Microsoft, their president is an ex-Microsoft, their US unit has now also been replaced by an ex-MS and they're moving everything to Windows. They even gave MS access to their valuable Ovi maps unit. It's like being sold without ever filling the paperwork. Shareholders must all be bilnd if they don't see what's going on..
Most of the staff will be gone and replaced as most never used .Net or even Windows anyway.
Just the brand will remain together with a neat little shell to please all those difficult regulators and anti-monopoly commissions..
Nokia was a sinking ship IMO, Microsoft taking over is good news, it will be slow but it will be worth it. I had a good play about on a HD7, loved it, the web browsing was awesome, its so smooth.
Microsoft taking over is punching more holes in the ship.
Nokia's still stupidly big abroad (in Asia, for instance), no?
WP7 is a decent OS and I don't think Symbian can't compete with iOS and Android on market share - certainly there are next to no 3rd party developers compared to the big three.
This must only be for smartphones though? Their "basic" phone interface isn't bad at all - probably one of the best.
People still had Nokia shares?
*looks in the FT to see how Woolworths and the Dutch East India Company are doing*
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How so?
Microsoft does compete well. IE4 was the best browser by a mile at the time, the problem is Microsoft Hates Microsoft, and as such when there isn't anything to force the need for something been there they just quietly let it die.
They did this with Windows Mobile. Lets not forget that compared to symbian smartphones, it was brilliant.
As such you could argue that the sinking ship took on more weight, but not that they will punch more holes.
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"But, with Elop confirming the ‘burning platform' memo was legit, it looks like Nokia was going to manage just one MeeGo handset for the whole of this year."
My response, for what it is worth, is that while this is definitely not a result i ever wanted to see, it is worth remembering that Nokia will still be investing >around< half a billion annually in the broader MeeGo ecosystem after this change in direction.
While MeeGo is not now going to become one of the 'big-three' or the lead Nokia platform, it probably does have a healthy a viable future as a niche platform.
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I wonder if Elop announced this, as a way of softening up the employees and share holders for a much less radical and complete partnership with Microsoft, because the way I see it, this plan will cause Nokia to die within the next five years or so.
If Nokia switches all future mid to high end phones to Windows, then they will no longer need to develop the platform software themselves, so they will make redundant around 15,000 engineers. Those people are the intellectual heart and institutional memory of the company. As well as all the Symbian core software developers, they will also loose a lot of electronic, radio and mechanical engineers, because they won't be shipping so many different phones each year. (Microsoft allows very little scope for OEMs to customise phones, so Nokia basically get to chose if there will be a physical qwerty keyboard or not, and how bling the case is. That means about 4 different phone models, perhaps 6 if you count Vertu).
I would also expect to see a lot of people from Series 40 and Series 30 quit even though their jobs are not at risk because they have lost confidence in the management.
The thing about companies when redundancy is in the air, is that the best and most qualified staff tend to find better jobs elsewhere before they are pushed, leaving behind the weaker and institutionalised staff behind. Elop has not yet announced where the axe will fall, and I don't think there will be many redundancies for a couple of years, but you can be fairly sure that most of Nokia's 30,000 R&D staff updated their CV's over this weekend and will start looking for somewhere new. In other words, in a couple of years time Elop will be left with the weakest third of his engineers, who are least able to adapt to change and drive the business forward.
Once most of the Symbian engineers are gone, what will be left? There will be a lean and efficient logistics and supply chain organisation, a load of factories in Finland and various low wage countries, and the same clueless management who got Nokia into this mess in the first place.
Nokia will also have the Series 40 organisation, which in theory could act as a backstop against Win Mo going tits up. Series 40 phones make great feature phones, they are reliable and they are cheap, and in developing countries they sell very well. The problem is, firstly in 5 years time most of the real tallent will have left Series 40 for pastures new, to be replaced with dead wood from Symbian moved sideways. Secondly, thanks to Moore's law, you will be able to make a servicable Android handset for arround $50, and there will be dozens of factories in china doing that, and even a poor labourer, barely scratching a living in a slum in some third world city, would prefer an android smartphone phone to a Nokia dumb phone when he saves up his $50 for his first mobile phone.
In other words, in 5 years time or so, Nokia will be left with no products in the market besides Windows phones, and hardly any engineering talent left to develop an alternative.
At that point Microsoft will move in for the kill. They will change the licensing terms on WinMo so that Nokia are unable to make a profit, Nokia's share price will drop and after a year or two, Microsoft will move in and buy out the company, and strip it of it's remaining assets. (mostly it's patents).
RIP Nokia.
NB: I worked for Nokia for 4 years from 2006 to 2010.
Only if by best you mean the most bloated slow pieck of junk of the lot TBH.
IE3 was better at the time for the web as it was at the time.
I can't remember what the competition was to IE4 - just how much slower it was to load the same webpages than IE3.
Not a good user experience really.
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Nokia shares were last this low in November last year. They could well be a good mid/long term investment but I think it's too risky currently. "Mr Market" may well be right for once on this one.
Last edited by badass; 13-02-2011 at 11:20 PM. Reason: wrong thread
What?! IE3 was a turd, it was behind netscape.
IE4 brought in a whole bunch of new stuff it was great, it gave a whole bunch of javascript, it gave the webrequest object so you could do pretty much EVERYTHING which AJAX is based on.
It also ran a heck of a lot better than netscape did too, at least on my k6-2.
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You do know that IE4 seemed faster because Microsoft started using its core as the file browser, so most of it was already loaded in memory all the time. Other browsers like Netscape had to load from disk to run and use whatever was left of the small amount of RAM we had those days...
This behaviour has one of the reasons that Microsoft was taken to court for being a monopoly...
Microsoft only competes by being dirty, never by innovating. The only innovative product they released was their first, Altair BASIC.
Nokia is now just a pawn in MS's game to play the networks.
Last edited by Gkpm; 14-02-2011 at 02:00 AM.
They have said that Nokia will have the ability to change far more than any other OEM using WP7, in fact Nokia would be allowed to change any and every part of it. Make of that what you will, Nokia also said they wouldn't be massively changing the UI, but that's not to say they won't be using their own hardware and radios
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