News - Facebook used to catch looter while Essex police get carried away

[mark22]

Some people live in deprived areas and simply cant find a job or are born with a disability and are unable to work.

Obviously, I also realise that places like Lewisham (where a lot of my family grew up) never used to be like this until people kept making excuses for certain lazy sections of society. Anyway that's it on this from me, all I know is something aint right.

[aidanjt]

What was the alternative response to the Nazi occupation of Europeand the systematic murder of millions of people by them? A sit down protest?

You missed the point. The German people forgot the lessons they should have learnt from from WWI in dealing with their problems. Just as the British government have forgotten that them acting like a bunch of thugs is going to inflame anti-authoritarian sentiment in response.

Why should the people play nice when the government is going around squishing civil liberties, shooting people, and agitating protesters arbitrarily?

[HalloweenJack]

The violent anarchy that has taken hold of British cities is the all-too-predictable outcome of a three-decade liberal experiment which tore up virtually every basic social value...
Those of us who warned over the years that they were playing with fire were sneered at and smeared as Right-wing nutters who wanted to turn the clock back to some mythical golden age.
Melanie Phillips in the Daily Mail, last week.


Over the past twenty years or so, there has been a revulsion from authority and discipline... There has been a permissive revolution... and now we all reap the whirlwind.
The Daily Mail's editorial... 7th July 1981. Exactly three decades ago.


For the first time in a century and a half, since the great Tory reformer Robert Peel set up the Metropolitan police, areas of our cities are becoming unsafe for peaceful citizens by night, and some even by day.
Sir Keith Joseph addressing the Tory party conference, 1974.


Over the past 25 years we in this country, through misguided sentiment, have cast aside the word "discipline", and now we are suffering from it.
A speaker at the Tory party conference in 1958.


Parents at this time, unfortunately, do not take sufficient care in bringing up their children. They expect someone else to be responsible.
Frank Beverly, 1951.


It is melancholy to find that some parents are not ashamed to confess that children of seven or eight years old are entirely beyond their control.
The Times, 1898.


And so on, all the way back to the 17th century. The only thing linking all these quotes is that they were in reaction to some violent incident, and that they all want to interpret that incident as part of some 'moral decline' from the golden past

[Scott B]

Yup, the commentariat love to extrapolate an incident backwards. Hinsight is 20 20 and most of them are just pedagogues and polemicists who want the luxury of carping from the sidelines without the risk and effort that comes with trying to actually do something.

[mark22]

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And the point is?? In the 50's there weren't riots and looting, so because it wasn't sorted out back then it doesn't need any attention now? It's just been allowed to get worse. Or is it because it isn't on your doorstep and you think these people aren't really mindless thugs but misunderstood. You must have been waching different tv footage, did you listen to some of them speak, that's a couple of decades of media and social studies Gcses for you.