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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    I wish OS devs would spare a moment's thought to the tiny minority still stuck with keyboard+mouse rather than designing a desktop OS to use a touchscreen. I found 11.04 default almost unbearable to work with. It seems MS are lacking in the ideas department lately - incremental numeric naming, and what appears to be the same interface they use on their phone OS (also very similar to the 360 Dashboard). I'll give both a try before I criticise too much though.

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    MS have been here before. Anyone remember the horrific 'Active Desktop' they dumped on Windows 98? Hopefully they'll have group policy objects to disable the worst of this crud. In chasing the elusive 'home tablet user' they risk further irritating office workers and dropping the ball on both markets.

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Apparently it has real issues with it, so I wouldn't.
    Workstation 7, yep - the new release (8) is fine as far as I've experienced, though I'm only on a trial license for now I'll no doubt end up splooging on a proper upgrade.

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    Quote Originally Posted by robertirwin View Post
    MS have been here before. Anyone remember the horrific 'Active Desktop' they dumped on Windows 98?
    Oh yeah I had forgotten about that. Glad that didn't remain!

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    Quote Originally Posted by robertirwin View Post
    MS have been here before. Anyone remember the horrific 'Active Desktop' they dumped on Windows 98? Hopefully they'll have group policy objects to disable the worst of this crud. In chasing the elusive 'home tablet user' they risk further irritating office workers and dropping the ball on both markets.
    Well, I had a try at it the installation I put on the laptop at the weekend. Impressed with the boot time and general responsiveness.

    Not impressed with the new look - as others have said - it's ideal for a touchscreen or tablet-driven machine. I've got serious reservations whether it'd work - at all - for someone who's got a lot of apps installed. Oh, and none of the sample apps appear to work - which is a shame as I'd like to have seen what something other than the desktop looked like. Didn't like the way that if you log out that there's no way to select another user or shutdown without using the keyboard.

    I also figure it's going to be a steep learning curve for us old timers - although there's some real nice touches - the little tab at the left of some screens in Control Panel to take you back a step is nice.

    Oh, and I can't get it to install on Virtual Box - keeps complaining about not being able to unpack files, or locks up.

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    Yes, it's dead simple - I use it for development work. Actually "misuse" is probably more appropriate, since I just checked and I've got 25 VM's defined in my instance (currently running 4, including a Windows XP Pro VM).

    Great option for me because if I've got a task that needs a lot of cpu, then I can lift-n-shift that VM from my dev box (dual core laptop running 64bit Ubuntu) to my gaming box (hexcore tower running Windows7Pro/64).
    What do you mean by that? copy the whole vdi file over ?
    Or are you sharing a network folder with the vdi's on it ?

    I like the idea of moving running instances between physical machines.

    Really should get into VMs more - at the moment I really use VirtualBox on the mac for windows apps.
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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    Quote Originally Posted by mikerr View Post
    What do you mean by that? copy the whole vdi file over ?
    Or are you sharing a network folder with the vdi's on it ?I like the idea of moving running instances between physical machines.
    Yes, copying the VDI over - although I was toying (just tests really) with moving the entire directory over and then using scripting to update the .vbox (it's only a piece of XML) for the differences between my Ubuntu and Windows VB hosts. Last time I did it though I just copied the VDI and then setup a new machine, using that newly copied across file. It also took a good while - but that was probably because it was about 60GB of data that had to be duplicated (Centos v5.5 64bit provisioning host if you're interested).

    It'd be great to use a network share - but I'm not sure that the crappy VirginMedia "SuperHub" would cope with the load - maybe if/when I get Gigabit in place it'll be worth revisiting.

    As to sharing running instances I'm very sure (99.9999%+) that VB does something to lock the files against simultaneous access. If they didn't and you could have two hosts access one VM - even if the second host was quiet - then what you'd have would be the basis of a reasonable High Availability system (configure the VDI on redundant disk and put in multiple networks). Given that, I can't see Oracle giving that away - they'd surely want to charge £1,000's. I know I would if I was them....

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    You'd only be using the switch part of the Superhub so load shouldn't be a problem, not sure if it's GigE though. I think there's a way to transfer running VMs between hosts (I remember the announcement, not sure if it's implemented yet) have a look in the documentation.

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    You'd only be using the switch part of the Superhub so load shouldn't be a problem, not sure if it's GigE though. I think there's a way to transfer running VMs between hosts (I remember the announcement, not sure if it's implemented yet) have a look in the documentation.
    Dammit - you're right - that'll teach me to not read the manual ...

    Mikerr, what watercooled is referring to is detailed in section 7.2 of the manual, the version I've got says:
    Starting with version 3.1, VirtualBox supports “teleporting” – that is, moving a virtual machine
    over a network from one VirtualBox host to another, while the virtual machine is running. This
    works regardless of the host operating system that is running on the hosts: you can teleport
    virtual machines between Solaris and Mac hosts, for example.
    Teleporting requires that a machine be currently running on one host, which is then called
    the “source”. The host to which the virtual machine will be teleported will then be called the
    “target”; the machine on the target is then configured to wait for the source to contact the target.
    The machine’s running state will then be transferred from the source to the target with minimal
    downtime.
    Teleporting happens over any TCP/IP network; the source and the target only need to agree
    on a TCP/IP port which is specified in the teleporting settings.
    At this time, there are a few prerequisites for this to work, however:
    1. On the target host, you must configure a virtual machine in VirtualBox with exactly the
    same hardware settings as the machine on the source that you want to teleport. This does
    not apply to settings which are merely descriptive, such as the VM name, but obviously for
    teleporting to work, the target machine must have the same amount of memory and other
    hardware settings. Otherwise teleporting will fail with an error message.
    2. The two virtual machines on the source and the target must share the same storage (hard
    disks as well as floppy and CD/DVD images). This means that they either use the same
    iSCSI targets or that the storage resides somewhere on the network and both hosts have
    access to it via NFS or SMB/CIFS.
    This also means that neither the source nor the target machine can have any snapshots.
    Think I might try giving this a go at the weekend - I've got a NAS box with a bit of space on it - so that'll do nicely for my "shared storage". Only thing to note is that the "teleport" operation seems to be controlled by the command line only - is a Mac user going to be okay to do something without a GUI? (joking!))

    I still prefer PowerHA on AIX though ...

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    I've been playing around with Windows in VM for 10 minutes... I'm already bored lol, Ribbon interface was done better than I thought, love the new task manager, the Start screen and the new IE 10 just a pain in the Butt, I clamoured straight for desktop and never left and kind of angry I can't seem to short-cut My Computer.

    Perhaps I'll try some of these metro apps a little later on.

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    worst come to the worst you can make a shortcut via regedit, but it is probably a hidden away option in a menu if you don't fancy that.
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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    Haha I like splashtop's suggestion. Windows 8 CP + Splashtop = Windows 8 tablet.

    Good point I can see if touch and this start menu are any good!

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    I prefer the tool called 'Rufus' http://pbatard.github.com/rufus/

    It's quicker, plus you can use it to make a Dos bootable drive (for flashing old motherboard BIOS). Without having to hunt around for a Dos files!

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    Re: Tech explained - How to install Windows 8 from a USB drive

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoonigan View Post
    Is there a way to install this to work alongside Windows 7? Only got my main PC and MBP so it's gonna have to go on my PC with Windows 7...
    Windows 7 can shrink the windows partition (Right click My computer - then manage. Click on disk management, right click on the windows c: drive partition then shrink)

    When you install Win8, pick custom install and highlight the gap at the end of the drive to install on.

    You'll need to shrink your windows 7 partition by 25-30 gig.

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