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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    I'm sure you all realise that the licence fee does not all go the BBC, right? Those transmitters you watch all the other channels on need maintenance. Sure CH4 get a slice of it too.

    As it stands, I still feel the licence fee represents great value. Imagine the state of broadcasting in this country if the Beeb didn't exist. I don't agree with how people are pursued and treated as 'guilty until proven innocent' by the Licensing people.

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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Sounds like a brilliant move to me, people have been able to avoid paying for a TV licence and just watching iPlayer instead for far too long..I am glad that this daft loophole is finally being closed.

    It's really easy to implement via an account based system (similar to tvcatchup) checking your address/account details, although even if they don't actively enforce it enough people will start to pay up to make it more worthwhile and to start making up some of the massive defect that the BBC is currently exposed to. Maybe if people actually paid the licence fee we wouldn't see the cuts of BBC servers of the like that we have been seeing.

    I have one question to the people complaining about this though (which seems to be most of you). If all of the content that the BBC puts out there is rubbish/worthless/bad/lalalala etc, then why do you care about this change? If it's that bad then surely you don't watch it anyway, so why moan? If you do watch it, then you should pay for it like the rest of us do.

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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by simonpreston View Post
    Imagine the state of broadcasting in this country if the Beeb didn't exist. I don't agree with how people are pursued and treated as 'guilty until proven innocent' by the Licensing people.
    Bizarrely i completely disagree and wish the first bit was true but understand that while the license exists letters are sent out to any home without one. Would you rather believe they go round with their vans still scanning every house to see what your watching? Get real they just spam any address without a license.

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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    Sounds like a brilliant move to me, people have been able to avoid paying for a TV licence and just watching iPlayer instead for far too long..I am glad that this daft loophole is finally being closed.

    It's really easy to implement via an account based system (similar to tvcatchup) checking your address/account details, although even if they don't actively enforce it enough people will start to pay up to make it more worthwhile and to start making up some of the massive defect that the BBC is currently exposed to. Maybe if people actually paid the licence fee we wouldn't see the cuts of BBC servers of the like that we have been seeing.

    I have one question to the people complaining about this though (which seems to be most of you). If all of the content that the BBC puts out there is rubbish/worthless/bad/lalalala etc, then why do you care about this change? If it's that bad then surely you don't watch it anyway, so why moan? If you do watch it, then you should pay for it like the rest of us do.
    Are you a teacher?

    We don't want to watch that shi* or pay for it, we don't have much choice but to pay. Read back what you wrote and tell me you're not brainwashed.

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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    No I am not a teacher..I work in IT. No need for you to take that kind of offensive attitude either...

    Nothing to do with being brainwashed - I watch BBC content..quite a bit of it actually and I watch a big chunk of it on iPlayer. I don't have a right to watch it without paying for it (that would be no different than downloading said show from a torrent etc), so I pay for a TV licence..pretty simple really.

    This thread isn't about the general concept of a TV licence anyway - its about whether you should be able to get around the law/morality of it by just watching it online.

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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    But he is a politician....so he's allowed to omit the last part of that sentence...

    We are not going to introduce a PC licence fee, at least until will decide we will introduce one.
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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by mark22 View Post
    Bizarrely i completely disagree and wish the first bit was true but understand that while the license exists letters are sent out to any home without one. Would you rather believe they go round with their vans still scanning every house to see what your watching? Get real they just spam any address without a license.
    At no point did I even mention anything about their fabled TV Detector Vans. I am on about the fact that, despite living in halls at uni and do not have a TV, nor watch TV online, I get 'friendly' letters and emails sent (I imagine by the wording they are directed at 18/19 year olds) basically telling me they will start an investigation (if I tell them I don't have a TV, they'll start an investigation anyway). The language of the emails were pretty much of a 'you are a criminal until we decide otherwise' style. I'm sorry, but why should the onus have to be on me to prove I don't watch TV? Much less have to respond to their accusing correspondence?

    So cheers for the 'get real' there. Wide of the mark, however.

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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by simonpreston View Post
    I'm sure you all realise that the licence fee does not all go the BBC, right? Those transmitters you watch all the other channels on need maintenance. Sure CH4 get a slice of it too.
    RF transmission infrastructure represents a tiny proportion of the license budget. ITV/CH4 could easily pay for their bandwidth, if they're not already. Most of it is pumped into BBC administration and production costs.

    Quote Originally Posted by simonpreston View Post
    As it stands, I still feel the licence fee represents great value. Imagine the state of broadcasting in this country if the Beeb didn't exist.
    I'd rather the beeb existed too, and they do make important cultural contributions, but the TV license is irrationally expensive and consistently bloating up. The broadcasting model is also yielding to on demand models (iPlayer, iTunes, YouTube even, torrented media files, etc.), so we must question whether continued investment in this archaic media dissemination model should continue as-is or make efforts to phase out its inefficiency, and fund infrastructure for its replacement. Then, BBC programming can either continue on its own merits as a private entity through their own e-commerce, or be funded by culture grants as a public website.

    Quote Originally Posted by simonpreston View Post
    I don't agree with how people are pursued and treated as 'guilty until proven innocent' by the Licensing people.
    Indeed. So lets look to put them out of a job. We should endeavour to do the same with as many bureaucrats as possible.
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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    RF transmission infrastructure represents a tiny proportion of the license budget. ITV/CH4 could easily pay for their bandwidth, if they're not already. Most of it is pumped into BBC administration and production costs.
    It costs the BBC around £181 Million http://www.digitaltvselector.com/sky...calls/2011/10/ to distribute its content, or the revenue from about 1.2 million licenses. Assuming 25 million households http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/f...-figures-AB18/ have licences that represents around 5% of the total revenue (ballpark figures).


    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    <---snip but the TV license is irrationally expensive
    50p a day or £3.50/week, about the cost of a pint of beer. Advert free too! Hardly expensive anyway, and not 'irrationally expensive' as the costs of running the BBC are published in its annual accounts. Compare that with other forms of entertainment. A cinema ticket costs around £10, football match around £30.
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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by OilSheikh View Post
    Why can't this utter crap of a license fee be scraped? What good TV shows does BBC have?
    Depends on your tastes. For my tastes, Spooks, Waking the Dead, New Tricks, spring to mind (Dr Who of course!) Factual/documentsries: Life in the in the freezer, Coast, The documentary about Bletchley Park and the codebreakers If you want soap, Eastenders and Casualty are two examples. Then there is the radio output, which you don't need a licence to listen to. News gathering/reporting is another public service activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Yeah, Tony Blair was going to be tough on crime and not raise taxes...
    Which is made even better by the fact that Gordon Brown was also prudent. So whilst we weren't paying more taxes and they were getting tough on crime, we also weren't increasing public sector net debt and liabilities during the boom years. Mainly because Gordon Brown completely eliminated boom and bust. It was nice of that pair to leave with a nice budget surplus just in case things took a turn for the worse after they left/were booted out.
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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    50p a day or £3.50/week, about the cost of a pint of beer. Advert free too! Hardly expensive anyway, and not 'irrationally expensive' as the costs of running the BBC are published in its annual accounts. Compare that with other forms of entertainment. A cinema ticket costs around £10, football match around £30.
    The difference is, you're not being held at gunpoint to pay for the cinema ticket or football match whether you want to go or not.
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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by dav532000 View Post
    They should make the Tv licence like the cable channels instead of paying for a Tv licence as they like to call as we all no it's a BBC licence, you should only need to purchase a BBC licence if you actually watch the BBC and not the other channels that use adverts to maintain there services. I would love to see how many people would opt out of watching the BBC as to not paying for it then.
    Small point - the license fee is NOT dedicated to the output of BBC's 1-4. You've also got the output (variable - granted) of the radio stations, plus the online stuff. Heck, it's already pretty damn obvious that Digger Murdoch hates the Beeb with a passion - so if there was no other reason to support the Beeb, there's a good one.

    Small further point - the license fee isn't really THAT expensive. It's about the same price as a four trips to the local cinema for a family, or two days in a theme park (minus souvenirs and food/drink).

    Trouble for me is that conversations on the Beeb tend to sound like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

    Or ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oilsheik
    (Why can't this utter crap of a license fee be scraped? What good TV shows does BBC have?)
    Depends on your tastes. For my tastes, Spooks, Waking the Dead, New Tricks, spring to mind (Dr Who of course!) Factual/documentsries: Life in the in the freezer, Coast, The documentary about Bletchley Park and the codebreakers If you want soap, Eastenders and Casualty are two examples. Then there is the radio output, which you don't need a licence to listen to. News gathering/reporting is another public service activity.
    The news thing is particularly relevant - local news on ITV is fine, but their breakfast show is pretty damned brain dead compared to the BBC equivalent (imho of course). I'll add Merlin, Top Gear, Mock The Week and HIGNFY to that list of "what we need the BBC for", along with various radio programmes (comedies on R4 and Huey Morgan's show on whatever they're calling R6 this week).
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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    The difference is, you're not being held at gunpoint to pay for the cinema ticket or football match whether you want to go or not.

    There is no difference at all, you are not being held at gunpoint (literally or figuratively) to buy a television licence. It is only required if you want to watch television, in the same way that you only buy a cinema ticket if you want to watch a film being shown there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    There is no difference at all, you are not being held at gunpoint (literally or figuratively) to buy a television licence. It is only required if you want to watch television, in the same way that you only buy a cinema ticket if you want to watch a film being shown there.
    To fund the BBC. And if you don't watch the BBC? Don't even use RF reception features of your TV at all? Tough, you're paying anyway.
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    Re: News - BBC licence fee may soon be mandatory for iPlayer users

    No, the licence is to install equipment ('apparatus' in the legislation) to watch television as it is being broadcast. If you don't install equipment that enables you to do that, you don't need a licence.

    http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one

    You don’t need a TV Licence to own or possess a television set. However, if you use it to watch programmes as they are being shown on TV then you need a TV Licence in order to do so.
    http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/f...ramework-AB16/
    Under regulation 9 of the Communications (Television Licensing) Regulations 2004 (“the Regulations”) a computer is licensable if it is used for receiving television programme services. The Regulations define ‘television receiver’ in technologically neutral terms and refers to any apparatus installed or used for the purpose of receiving… any television programme service
    http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/search?...ion+definition
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