News - Xbox 720, Microsoft's next-gen console - rumour round-up

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Originally Posted by kalniel

But you buy/rent the games that you play right? That's more than most people on the PC do.

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Erm, not exactly, no. I'm not going into details publicly. I will say this though, in case anyone gets the wrong impression .... I do not have, and never ever have had, any pirated XBox games, other software or any form of illicit XBox product whatever.

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Originally Posted by Platinum

Still if it has dedicated hardware for individual functions such as AI ect then it could be faster than a PC in games even with slower hardware as most of the hardware in a PC is general purpose. My one wish for the Xbox 720, native keyboard / mouse support.

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I'd agree with that. Shame that they're partnered with AMD, because I'm sure some dual Geforce arrangement would be pretty fine - even if it was one core for graphics and another for physics.

Don't like the idea that ARM-based - surely Intel would give them a VERY good price on something more powerful. That said, if we did have to have ARM then I was tempted to say "Tegra3" (or replacement) but that's not going to happen because of the AMD tie-in.

I'd love to see some really powerful piece of kit - but I'm pretty sure that this won't happen - mainly because of the noise factor, but also because these days folks are pretty sensitive about power draw. Hence the "need" to use ARM gear.

My hit list would be: 1080p native support with AA/AF; decent sound; multiprocessor - preferably quad; backward compatibility with games and some peripherals (e.g. Kinect).

I don't know Saracen, if I buy a HP printer on the cheap, as they tend to be, and then feed it their silly £ ink am i not subsidising the price of the printer? would i buy the ink without the printer? would i buy 360 games without a 360?

also, you keep saying things are an exchange :shocked2: i cant see any deeper meaning to it than there would be if you had just said that you have purchased these things, and that really does go without saying. so what is it? how does it being a money for product exchange discount the 360 creating revenue from the sale of its games and peripherals?

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Originally Posted by kalniel

It can generate revenue from people playing games...

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... World of Warcraft.

I also think thanks to steam, a more appropriate payment model is now available for PC.

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Originally Posted by crossy

That said, if we did have to have ARM then I was tempted to say "Tegra3" (or replacement) but that's not going to happen because of the AMD tie-in

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Thats not going to happen because Tegra is for very tiny boxes that don't need to be that fast, or the portable market. neither of which the next xbox or playstation will be. Discrete GPU power needed, including all the roadmapped GPGPUs that we know about.

we dont need anything fancy really, just something that is on par to the same spec of pc as the current consoles were to PCs at launch. what we need is the next gen ASAP, because the lack of grunt is not just damaging the games on the consoles, but anything that is ported to the PC is suffering.

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Originally Posted by MadduckUK

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also, you keep saying things are an exchange :shocked2: i cant see any deeper meaning to it than there would be if you had just said that you have purchased these things, and that really does go without saying. so what is it? how does it being a money for product exchange discount the 360 creating revenue from the sale of its games and peripherals?

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It's buying the game that generates the revenue, not buying the console. I exchange money for extra, and new, games.

If you had to use Live to get the console to work at all, and had to pay for it, then the console generates revenue, just to be able to use it.

If you had to buy new games, as opposed to borrowing, renting or buying second-hand, then the console generates a revenue. The point was the comparison to the PC. If you buy a PC, you might (or might not) buy extra products or services from that supplier. You might buy Window or you might download Linux, so MS might nor might not get a revenue stream. You might or might not buy a pre-built PC, and pay that supplier for extra bits, or for support services, or you might not. You might buy games in a way that MS get revenue, or you might not.

It's no doubt more likely to generate MS a revenue stream with a tied-in console than a PC, but not certain, and it's the buying of the extra bits, which is also an exchange in that you get extra value, that generates the revenue stream.

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Originally Posted by MadduckUK

I don't know Saracen, if I buy a HP printer on the cheap, as they tend to be, and then feed it their silly £ ink am i not subsidising the price of the printer? would i buy the ink without the printer? would i buy 360 games without a 360?

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So buy compatible inks. You are then not subsidising the price of the printer. Buy second-hand games, and you are not subsidising the XBox. Opt not to pay for Live subs and you aren't, either.

Similarly, buy a PC with an MS OS, and then decide to buy Office and you're providing a revenue stream to MS. Buy it from the PC supplier and you're providing both them and MS with revenue.

I guess in a way consoles lower the costs of hardware.

Why are PC heads all getting worked up about consoles so much now days.. PC games are a different bread to console games, it can never die.

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Originally Posted by Savas

Why are PC heads all getting worked up about consoles so much now days.. PC games are a different bread to console games, it can never die.

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Because we see great games changed, sometimes drastically, to cater for the primary revenue source, which is console gamers. Not all the changes are bad, but many feel they are mostly negative. It's even worse when a game that would otherwise have come out on the PC becomes a console exclusive. And we are talking areas that PCs were great for - RPGs, shooters, racing games etc.

That's not the console makers fault. It's not the console owners fault. It's not even the game developers/publishers fault - it's just a consequence of providing services for the people who are most willing to pay for them, same as any other business. PC gamers could make a difference by buying more games or being willing to pay (a lot) more for games. See the success of games where revenue is actually generated like WoW and other server based games.

i would like a console that younger than my car when it gets replaced....the 360 will be 8 when they release the rumoured new one

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Originally Posted by kalniel

Because we see great games changed, sometimes drastically, to cater for the primary revenue source, which is console gamers. Not all the changes are bad, but many feel they are mostly negative. It's even worse when a game that would otherwise have come out on the PC becomes a console exclusive. And we are talking areas that PCs were great for - RPGs, shooters, racing games etc.

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There's one place where I think consoles are better - racing games like Forza4, GT5. Never a big fan of the mouse or, worse still, keyboard controls. Sure you can get wheels for both, but then the only difference becomes graphics.

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Originally Posted by MadduckUK

I don't know Saracen, if I buy a HP printer on the cheap, as they tend to be, and then feed it their silly £ ink am i not subsidising the price of the printer? would i buy the ink without the printer? would i buy 360 games without a 360?

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off topic time - when I changed printer (Canon->HP) my ink costs fell. Canon's tanks were £12-16 each, whereas the HP ones are mainly around the £8 mark, (a lot less once you factor in either Staples discount, or HP employee discount).

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Originally Posted by crossy

There's one place where I think consoles are better - racing games like Forza4, GT5.

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But why are consoles better for them? There isn't any reason apart from artificial exclusivity. Forza or GT5 on the PC would have better multiplayer, more fidelity, custom content etc. and (cf the X360) you can use any peripheral you like on them - gamepad, wheel, joystick - no being locked into only a few MS approved choices.

Sure, PC still has the best simulation racing games, but sometimes car pr0n is fun too.

rumor?

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Originally Posted by kalniel

But why are consoles better for them? There isn't any reason apart from artificial exclusivity. Forza or GT5 on the PC would have better multiplayer, more fidelity, custom content etc. and (cf the X360) you can use any peripheral you like on them - gamepad, wheel, joystick - no being locked into only a few MS approved choices. Sure, PC still has the best simulation racing games, but sometimes car pr0n is fun too.

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Trouble is that if someone was to do "Forza4 - GFW edition" then there'd be a chorus of disapproval because you can pretty much guarantee that it'd be a straight port, so personally I don't see the "better multiplayer" etc happening. My comment on racing on consoles being better was based purely on the few games I've tried on both - I remember being disappointed with the PC, but with hindsight maybe that was because I was expecting great things from the PC - not just a slightly enhanced port.

Actually, that's something that I've wondered about in the past - given that the XBox360 is pretty much just a PC, why aren't there more of the "exclusives" being ported after a decent interval.

And at this point I'm going to shut up, for fear of being castigated for going "off topic".

Im interested to see what the new playstation will have. I bought my 60GB origional PS3 when it was first released for a lot of money but at the time it was the cheapest bluray player available. Plus with all the updates etc to it for the hdmi support etc it was a brilliant purchase for me.

It is still my bluray player all these years on with no problems. Have never bought a game for it though. Thats what the PC is for.

Only just bought another 360 so I'll feel mightily embarrassed if the successor is announced pretty soon.

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Originally Posted by chrisreed

rumor?

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Nope.

Rumor = American English

Rumour = British English ;)