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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Really SOCA this time?

    Music companies sure are working hard, not long until paying for music is as morally questionable as downloading it.

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Civil matter, yet AGAIN Cops being used.

    Nice having police on your side and bribing them eh?

    Keep saying thou. One its a civil matter and using police resources in this way is a joke, as is treating your customers like theives. And when they keep their "content" locked on to their own networks (HBO i'm looking at you) is it any wonder ppl pirate.

    Its a digital age folks. Provide a worldwide easy access network or die like the old moneygrabbing bastards you are.

    I vote for the 2nd and a new age of artists/media that want to share/give ppl access. Rather than the old guard of extort you for cash at every turn.

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Excellent work from soca here imo, targeting the right people/websites for a change! On to the next http warez site now i hope - There are still thousands out there and they must have the powers to shut down at least some of them.

    Whatever you think of the way anti-piracy is handled, this approach is much much better than the RIAA sending angry letters to individuals trying to scare them into paying ludicrous fines.

    It's exactly like drug dealing - pointless going after the users, they just need educating as to the error of their ways. Much better to go after the dealers who are causing the problem in the first place!

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Funny enough, now that you mention it, the best way to eliminate drug crime is to legalise drugs. The black market would die almost immediately.
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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Funny enough, now that you mention it, the best way to eliminate drug crime is to legalise drugs. The black market would die almost immediately.
    Almost true - but that's what they have done. If they legalised drugs they would be sold and taxed (and end up expensive) - look at california or amsterdam. They don't give them away free. The black market would always exist due to the taxes and charges levied on the legal alternative. People don't like to pay for things!

    There are now legal digital download services for all kinds of previously pirated material, be it music, tv, movies, games, applications..directly equivalent to a dutch coffee shop or californian dispensary in this analogy.

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    Excellent work from soca here imo, targeting the right people/websites for a change! On to the next http warez site now i hope - There are still thousands out there and they must have the powers to shut down at least some of them.Whatever you think of the way anti-piracy is handled, this approach is much much better than the RIAA sending angry letters to individuals trying to scare them into paying ludicrous fines.
    I agree that going after the "distributors" rather than the customers is a better idea. What I don't agree with is that SOCA is the right group to be doing this. And what really sits ill with me is the size 9 approach to the "customers". As I said before, unless SOCA can prove that John/Jane Doe knowingly received this "stolen" material then all this "you're facing a 10 year jail term and we know where you live" is straight out of 1984. What's to say that these weren't demo tracks or the "free samples" that the music folks themselves sometimes give out?

    Interesting that no-one's picked up on the hypocrisy in the "this was damaging young artists" claim - when it's common knowledge that those young artists don't do that well financially, with the record label picking up the vast majority of the revenue. Otherwise why would so many be looking at taking control of their own distribution.

    Stealing is wrong, copyright theft is wrong, but setting up SOCA as "bag men"* is also wrong.

    (* a la "V for Vendetta")

    PS I didn't use this site, nor even know of it's existence before reading the article.

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/...rers-computers

    More info, SOCA even admitting that the media industries told them what to put on that notice. Le sigh
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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    As I said before, unless SOCA can prove that John/Jane Doe knowingly received this "stolen" material then all this "you're facing a 10 year jail term and we know where you live" is straight out of 1984.
    Fair point - "Bag Men" as you say are definitely the wrong way to go. I don't think that's what's happening here though...the message left on the takedown page is factually correct and not overly threatening, and tbh it would be very very easy to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the MP3s were illegalyl aquired, if a search of that PC was conducted. Even more so if the ID3 tags have been populated as so many of these http download sites tend to do.

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    Almost true - but that's what they have done. If they legalised drugs they would be sold and taxed (and end up expensive) - look at california or amsterdam. They don't give them away free. The black market would always exist due to the taxes and charges levied on the legal alternative. People don't like to pay for things!

    There are now legal digital download services for all kinds of previously pirated material, be it music, tv, movies, games, applications..directly equivalent to a dutch coffee shop or californian dispensary in this analogy.
    Except the black market only sprouts up again when government taxation and industry profiteering becomes unreasonable. Do you think anyone would seriously bother buying knockoff cigarettes if over the counter cigarettes were more reasonably priced?

    The exact same economic forces are at play here. If you have a product and you overcharge for it, others will crop up and undercut you. Only when the government interferes with this, do you get dangerous black markets.
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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    i think the methods may be off but its the right step too many people pirate stuff and feel its acceptable to do so. shut down the distributors and the problem will get better.


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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post

    There are now legal digital download services for all kinds of previously pirated material, be it music, tv, movies, games, applications..directly equivalent to a dutch coffee shop or californian dispensary in this analogy.


    Spotify is amazing, there is no need for anyone to download music when you have the likes of Spotify (£10 a month then unlimited tracks within it) but what is there for films?

    Netflix has bugger all selection, and lovefilm is still a 3-4 day wait for films to arrive at least. I am yet to find a decent streaming service (a la spotify) that would make me sit there a turn against those downloading films. Even with Lovefilm you are still forced to sit there and watch 10-15mins of crap (trailers, anti-piracy etc) before each and every film.

    For now i put up with lovefilm, but I can fully understand why people still download films. Its the only way to get them on your terms... if I pay for something I want it my way (within reason, obviously).

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Quote Originally Posted by Andehh View Post
    but what is there for films?
    Sky/box office/virgin equivalent, iTunes, Amazon, LoveFilm, Netfix, Film4OD, iPlayer, youtube, blinkbox...quite a few imo.

    I understand that most of those services are awful though - I personally will never go near Love Film again after the way they treated me and my information, and most of the others don't have the latest releases.

    I actually still use my local Blockbuster store, as they usually have good deals on blu-ray rentals. Clearly isn't the same as a fully digitial "instant" service though.

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Do Blockbuster have a streaming service?

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Quote Originally Posted by Andehh View Post
    Spotify is amazing, there is no need for anyone to download music when you have the likes of Spotify (£10 a month then unlimited tracks within it) but what is there for films?

    Netflix has bugger all selection, and lovefilm is still a 3-4 day wait for films to arrive at least. I am yet to find a decent streaming service (a la spotify) that would make me sit there a turn against those downloading films. Even with Lovefilm you are still forced to sit there and watch 10-15mins of crap (trailers, anti-piracy etc) before each and every film.
    LoveFilm has a streaming service (it's available to me via XBox and my Sony tv), so you shouldn't have to wait for the post. That said, since I've never used LF I don't know whether the streaming service also makes you sit through the "mandatory" trailers (aaaarrrrggghhhh!) and the pointless "don't steal films" message*. I've always avoided LF because first of they seem to try and use high pressure selling tactics (which gets my back up at the best of times) and - more importantly - I'm quite content with the FilmFlex service I get via Virgin.

    There's also a Sony service (used to be called Qriocity) and Zune Marketplace if you've got an XBox. Netflix - so I've heard - has little content at the moment, but the UK bosses have pointed out that this is because it's really still in the process of finding it's feet.

    (*always struck me as a little redundant to make legitmate viewers sit through that crap - if you can see the message then you bought the media, in which case you're not likely - surely - to then want to go back and steal another copy? From what I heard from a pirate DVD user a long time ago, the first thing that goes from a pirate DVD is the stupid don't-steal-me message).

    Philosphy question: if you steal a DVD from someone selling pirate DVD's, who's the real victim - is the pirate or the movie company that they "stole" the content from?

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    Re: News - UK music site RnBXclusive.com shutdown by SOCA

    Quote Originally Posted by danroyle View Post
    i think the methods may be off but its the right step too many people pirate stuff and feel its acceptable to do so. shut down the distributors and the problem will get better.
    Nonsense. New underground distributors will simply sprout up in their place because the root problem hasn't been resolved, economic demand for reasonably priced, downloadable, no DRM, no ads, no being called a thief even though you paid for it entertainment which the market wants.
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