News - Acer: Windows 8 won’t bring “explosive growth” in October

[crossy]

But we all agree that Windows 7 is a great OS, and it took them until now to actually adopt it. The fact that large organisations aren't interested is irrelevant - if they waited for them to care they'd never release an OS at all. Don't see how they've done anything wrong by releasing 8 (Metro argument is another topic altogether).

Actually you're wrong - business interest is very relevant to Microsoft's #1 interest - their bottom line! Otherwise why the heck do you think that there's "Enterprise" editions of all those products ... because the boxes look nice? Remember that there's not just the "boxed" editions that businesses buy (yes, I know they're CAL'd these days - or whatever this months description for volume licenses is), but also manufacturers like Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc will steer clear for their bread-and-butter systems - on the whole - because "the demand isn't there".
And here's my question (as a "Windows8=meh" guy) to you - if you strip away Metro, IS there enough new stuff in Windows8 for it to not be deliverable via some sort of mega "service pack"? Or, taking Apple's lead, some kind of paid-for "Plus" pack?

i also thing win8 is going to be a slow adoption, why? bcoz software will take time to catchup and the biggest grudge i have is; the software we use now on win7 (Paid for) will not work on win8 or vice versa.

See #3 in this thread - if you've got Windows7 software then unless it's been written specifically for '7 (at a low level, and badly at that) then it'll work fine on '8. Insisting on Metro/MUI is bad enough, but if they also broke software compatibility then they'd get (rightly!) castigated and/or ridiculed.

Although that probably would have been very good news for Linux advocates...

[Chaoss]

Unfortunately I'll need to use Windows 8 as I have ssd's in raid 0 and Windows 8 is the only OS that will pass TRIM commands to them

[dangel]

And here's my question (as a "Windows8=meh" guy) to you - if you strip away Metro, IS there enough new stuff in Windows8 for it to not be deliverable via some sort of mega "service pack"? Or, taking Apple's lead, some kind of paid-for "Plus" pack?

Yes and no. Anything is possible given enough time and effort - effectively each new Windows is built on it's predecessor so one could argue that both 7 and 8 are no more than mega "service packs" of Vista. A new version does mean it's far easier to re-architect things and introduce new functionality - I know which I'd choose from my own experience. It's a rather silly argument though as it's open to massive interpretation but I don't really see what MS is doing differently from other vendors. If you're actually asking "is it worth it?" then that comes down to what you value amongst it's new features and how much it'll cost (which we still don't know).

The only problem I've had with software on 8 thus far is Creative's XFI drivers. Yeah, not exactly gob smacking

Our large multinational has still not finished it's 7 roll-out..

Unfortunately I'll need to use Windows 8 as I have ssd's in raid 0 and Windows 8 is the only OS that will pass TRIM commands to them

I have TRIM working on intel RAID - there are beta drivers that work on 7.

[Hicks12]

dangel, the creative drivers should be good now... i tried the beta windows 8 ones and they work flawlessly .

Windows 8 compatibility is faultless

[dangel]

dangel, the creative drivers should be good now... i tried the beta windows 8 ones and they work flawlessly .

I tried it yesterday with the beta drivers and the good old problem of sound disappearing after a reboot came back. Creative's forums show i'm not the only one

[Hicks12]

odd then , I must be very lucky as I havent experienced any issue so far and have rebooted a few times, the only issue im facing at the moment with the win8 CP (RTM isnt on dreamspark yet, apparently its now the 20th-25th instead of 15th ) is that IE10 when launched from desktop crashes on load, work around is to go into the IE setting and reset the cache etc and then it works for one time so as soon as I close it and relaunch IE it will crash .

Only issue thus far though

[dangel]

odd then , I must be very lucky as I havent experienced any issue so far and have rebooted a few times, the only issue im facing at the moment with the win8 CP (RTM isnt on dreamspark yet, apparently its now the 20th-25th instead of 15th ) is that IE10 when launched from desktop crashes on load, work around is to go into the IE setting and reset the cache etc and then it works for one time so as soon as I close it and relaunch IE it will crash .

Only issue thus far though

When it happened last time (Win 7) it only seemed to affect some people and then only some of the time. Are you running as 5.1?

See here: http://forums.creative.com/showthread.php?t=697959

[Hicks12]

maybe thats why then, I only use my creative card for my headset and mic as I use my gpu for audio to my 5.0 setup via my av receiver.

Hopefully creative eventually sort it then .

[dangel]

maybe thats why then, I only use my creative card for my headset and mic as I use my gpu for audio to my 5.0 setup via my av receiver.

Hopefully creative eventually sort it then .

Hope so because as soon as that's sorted I can use 8 on my main rig! Otherwise (as you say) zero problems and it absolutely flies

[miniyazz]

Our large multinational has still not finished it's 7 roll-out..

I'd be happy(er) if my workplace would finish its rollout of XP..

[c12038]

Why should we invest in a new operating system when we have just got into working with windows 7, Very bad move on Microsoft's side of the business sector or is it just aimed at consumers that want the next new fashion of OPS.....

Nope i am sticking with Windows 7 as Windows 8 has nothing to offer me only loads of greif and pain in the A** software compatabilty problems...

If only Linux could make it possible for me to play all my windows based games on linux without the need for emulators then linux it would be......

If i was Acer's MD i would say to MS stick it where the sun don't shine sonny boy windows 7 is still strong........

Er, hello... There's 100% software compatibility...

How do you know this to be true because MS have stated it in their Windows 8 Adds seeing is believing if its the same fiasco we had with Vista for get it....

and for your info all software for Win 7 will potentially run on win 8 we hope as many software changes have been made to Windows 8 that make it virtually impossible to detemine software compatability.....

Windows 8 is soo security tight you will not be able to sneaze with out MS knowing you have sneazed and its soooo control freaky type interface will not go down well with people who are use to the normal windows interface, I believe its a bad move on MS part to introduce a new OS without updating the existing windows 7....

but hey who gives a Sh*t about win 8 stick with win 7 MS will soon get the messege "don't fix it if its not broken"

[dangel]

How do you know this to be true because MS have stated it in their Windows 8 Adds seeing is believing if its the same fiasco we had with Vista for get it....

and for your info all software for Win 7 will potentially run on win 8 we hope as many software changes have been made to Windows 8 that make it virtually impossible to detemine software compatability.....

How do I know?

Because i'm running it. Even software I hate works.

[crossy]

I tried it yesterday with the beta drivers and the good old problem of sound disappearing after a reboot came back. Creative's forums show i'm not the only one

Yes, but that problem isn't restricted to '8 - there's plenty of folks complaining of that with (plus slow boot up) on Win7. I know this because I got hit by it too recently - although at least the "fix" is simple and seems effective.
Just wish there was a similarly effective fix for the slo-mo problems with SR3....

How do you know this to be true because MS have stated it in their Windows 8 Adds seeing is believing if its the same fiasco we had with Vista for get it.... and for your info all software for Win 7 will potentially run on win 8 we hope as many software changes have been made to Windows 8 that make it virtually impossible to detemine software compatability.....

I don't claim any level of Windows gurudom, but even I remember MS saying that they were "very interested" in hearing about apps (note: not device drivers) that didn't work on the two previews. I remember this because at the time it struck me as good that they (MS) were obviously determined not to have a repeat of the fiasco that accompanied the Vista launch, with random apps being broken in all kinds of "interesting" ways.

How do I know? Because i'm running it. Even software I hate works.

Ubuntu? (rofl)

PS Many thanks for the info in post #19.