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Thinner, lighter and faster iPhone largely in line with expectations.
Quite underwelming.
2X faster processor... That means they most likely bumped the cpu speed from 800mhz to 1,5ghz.... Welcome to 2011 Apple. The European Galaxy S3 and One X are Quad core 1,5ghz...
8Mpixels camera... good... my old phone from 2010 had that.
They changed the connector... YES, finally a standard micro USB like the rest of the industry.... wait... NOP, just an other proprietary connector compatible with nothing.
And the screen resolution. Other high-end phone are at 1280x720 now, standard 720p, so perfect for videos. Apple's not quite there yet with that weird resolution.
And old apps will be letter boxed... really?
Let's not forget that all old docks won't work - means great chance for iPhone owners to break from the Apple ecosystem.
Didn't Apple say a few years ago that widescreen ratios were completely inappropriate for smartphones? "Just right" my ass.
iOS 6 = iOS 5 + more useless siri - Google.
I still stand by my belief that the iPhone 4 is horrible to hold, yet Apple is still sticking with the design.
Before you could from time to time be envious of iPhone owners or other times respect their decision as the iPhone offered some serious competition... now... I wouldn't be able to understand iPhone over an Android market leader.
The stupidly long body makes the screen ratio look a lot weirder than (almost) 16:9.
One or two useful things there - having a cable that can be plugged in either way round is definitely a plus in terms of usability. Making all old cables incompatible though? Not a fan of that. Nearly as bad as when they changed the charging requirements for no obvious reason, rendering loads of e.g. car chargers useless with newer devices.
Battery? We'll have to wait and see.
I'll wait and see how the Note 2 is reviewed I think..
The A6 uses ARM A15 cores, which are almost twice as efficient clock for clock than the A9's used in the A5 (argh too many A's) so i'd suspect the chip is running at ~1GHz
I'd hazzard a guess the odd resolution (identical width) might be due to a upscaling (or lack thereof) issue with older apps.
I do hope they've increased the amount of ram it has
It's being suggested that the new A6 is an ARM A15 chip making it equally as powerful as many quad core chips. The GPU is stated to be 2x faster but this is probably in relation to the A5 and not A5X so we're looking at the same graphical prowess as the New iPad, which is nothing to complain about.
Hopefully the reduced weight will slightly offset any comfort issues with holding it though I agree the 4 doesn't feel great, especially compared to me Nexus S. As for the camera it can't be denied that the 4S's camera tests very well against competitors and were looking at basically the same camera here.
The screen resolution isn't a problem at all if you actually take the time to think about it. 720p would be a pointless step up at this size and would cause compatibility issues with existing apps, letter boxing however presents the problem of raising the keyboard higher on the screen unless they implement some clever coding.
Can we get over the Apple hatred and accept that iOS is optimized for a specific selection of hardware and therefore can do a lot more with it than Android can in it's current form. I love my Nexus and have no intention of moving into the walled garden but I'm also realistic about the merits of the Apple ecosystem. It would be nice if non-Apple users gave them a little respect for what they have accomplished.
once again a bit underwhelming...is it me or has Apple lost it's way now saint steve is gone?
A lot of apple hate here, what everyone needs to get is when you have a system thats ...not quite, but very neerly flawless n every way, you only need to tweak and refine it to perfect it, add a bit here, nip and tuck a bit there, and your there...and thats what apple is doing, evolution, not revolution, they had revolution with ios as an idea, now they jut need further refinements....
The phone itself is no revolution either, its also evolution, take monkeys...and humans...we took the best bits, refined them, and have become far superior....apples not quite there yet, theyre at the caveman stage, but its getting there
Unlike android which compares better to peugeot, the car company, who churn out crap, and never learn their lesson, and keep churning out more random crap that breaks all the time, is cheap to repair or replace, yes, but it breaks, ....
Apple is a lot more refined, thought through, improving steadily, not jut churning out more of the same old crap, they had a genious idea and stuck with it, as true innovators do, not letting go of their ingenious creation
Old quite: if it aint broke, dont bloody fix it
Te iphone as an idea, as hardware and ios as software, aint broke, infact quite the opposite, its reliable, table, well designed, well implimented, with a lot of thought having gone into it...so why fix it? Nothing to fix, just refinements...
Im glad to see a company sticking by their morals
P.s. death to samsung, that is all.
Haha, brilliant. Best bit of trolling I've seen in some time :mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by ionicle
It's an iterative change that continues the narrative of the device. There is a context and it's not about hardware alone. As an observer I can understand that.
The end of the world is nigh!
Apple have officially run out of ideas!!!!
An iterative change is akin to moving from big writing to little writing; in technology terms it is merely an 'update'. New number; old device!
You mean Steve isn't there to tell them which ideas (or shapes) to steal, sorry, I mean patent...Quote:
Originally Posted by macbeth1959
Looks like a nice upgrade for those of the iPhone type. No more underwhelming than the GS3 was tbh - same sort of bump in spec, same lack of anything particularly new or useful over it's predecessor.
You mean Steve isn't there to tell them which ideas (or shapes) to steal, sorry, I mean patent...
Have they patented their new resolution for a 4" screen, or do they have prior 'art' to prove that 4" was always the optimum screen size; whatever the girls say?
p,s. how do you get them nice boxes around quotes you copy?
You press the orange "quote" button in the bottom right corner of the post you'd like to quote, or use BBCode (http://forums.hexus.net/misc.php?do=bbcode) (formatting standard in most on-line forums) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by macbeth1959
No they haven't. They'll be inventing NFC for the iPhone 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by macbeth1959
A friend of my girlfriend said the iPhone 5 is amazing because a) it doesn't have signal problems and b) it has 4G.
I was hoping for something more; the camera on the Nokia Lumia 920 is stunning and several phones have had 4G for months! The same camera as in the 4S seems a bit lazy.
Well I am really happy with the announcement - although the ONLY big feature here imo is worldwide LTE support. That is what I am excited about and looking forward to, the rest is just a bonus.
As has already been said, when they are close to the perfect smartphone (for many many people - clearly the haters and android fanboys in this thread will disagree!) you really shouldn't go for a mass redesign. I am so glad they didn't go for that stupid teardrop shape, didn't include NFC (pointless feature!), didn't go back to horrible cheap plastic, didn't include a fancy battery draining new home screen..
So I am happy with it and millions more will be.
However.
Lots of people are not, and the press in particular is taking the opportunity to have a right old go at Apple for the exact reasons above that I feel are positives! They are complaining that it's not a complete redesign like we have had before..people have started to expect that and if Apple don't deliver then suddenly that is an awful thing. It's an interesting reaction that may point to a different reason for people to buy Apple products than I originally expected.
LTE is a revolutionary thing in the mobile market at the moment, but because Apple are not the first to bring this out and LTE is in the early days, people don't seem to be getting as excited about that as they should. Faster broadband than most people's home broadband, in your phone? How is that not exciting? :)
Iphone (original) - truely revolutionary in almost every way, cracking phone (once app store was launched). Lots of innovation
iPhone 3G - Innovative design but was an awful distraction compared to the first phone. Nasty nasty cheap plastic back reminiscent of samsungs/htcs. However this was again a massive design change and people bought it.
iPhone 3GS - No design change but a few decent new features..still has the horrible plastic back. Not as many people bought this.
iPhone 4 - Radical redesign, and for many people pretty much smartphone *hardware* perfection. Lots of innovation, exciting redesign. Best selling iPhone of all time.
iPhone 4S - pointless spec bump, wasn't as popular as Apple wanted, but was more popular than it should have been.
iPhone 5 - Middle of the road - some massive new features (LTE, bigger screen) but because it's only a partial redesign (size + metal back again..yey for that bit!) people are not so excited.
Looking back at that history I think Apple are sadly going to have to come up with a radical redesign in the future in order to keep consumer interest. They won't fall apart with this one (unless Samsung/HTC succeed in blocking it) but I think they will really need a visible redesign for the 6 to keep interest. They have 2 years to do it (next year will be the 5 spec bump with NFC and something else thats useless most likely)..big challenge.
So after several years and many designs and re-designs of the iPhone, Apple has finally managed to make a mobile phone that can make and receive phone calls properly!Quote:
Originally Posted by cameronlite
At work we run both Samsung Galaxy II and iPhone 4 phones. The Samsung is clearly better (it is not even a close contest) at making and receiving calls, particularly when on move or in areas with weak signal strength. Whilst a smart phone obviously needs to do more than just make and receive calls, if it cannot do that well, what is the point of it?
So, if I preorder it, when will they dispatch it, on the 21st ?
NFC really isn't pointless, its incredibly user friendly way of paring devices for one. The Nokia demo of a JBL speaker, simply bop the top of it, and its now pared, streaming all your compressed music to a cruddy speaker via Bluetooth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spud1
The concept of NFC for paring alone is a good enough feature, not to mention the digital wallets and the like, I know a lot of people have never used a QR code, because ultimately QR codes are a bit user unfriendly on the iPhone, NFC solves those issues nicely.
To not include it appears lazy.Well considering how the press jumped on Nokia for not having anything interesting in their event, I can see why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spud1
Then things like this are upvoted quite highly on reddit
http://i.imgur.com/KfDoU.jpg
And I have to kinda agree.
The glove touch system (all work by Synaptics I believe) is more exciting than anything the iPhone event has, that is something that is really useful to the people who say ride bicycles etc.
Quite disappointed by this launch - even though I'm not likely to be a customer anytime soon, I'd really hoped for something revolutionary, rather than "more of the same".
Says something when the only plus point I can see (versus my S3) is that power/dock connector - kudos for designing something that doesn't have a "right way round".
If I was grading this, I'd give it a C- with the comment "must try harder in future". (no additional comment about possibly copying the other kids in the class though) :p
Blatant trollery - and plain wrong - there is no "Android" phone for a start. And if I'm going to approach your (low?) level then this Apple announcement puts them firmly in the Morgan camp (to continue your misbegotten car analogy). Oh, and if "Android" is a car company then it'd be Ford - global brand currently selling a lot of product and pushing the "innovations" advertising line.Quote:
Originally Posted by ionicle
In future, please put your fan boy rants elsewhere - although on the other hand if you've got a reasoned argument to put across, then feel free to share it. :) For example, I don't happen to agree with Spud1's post #18 - but it's well reasoned and clearly explained posting - I can see his (?) point of view, and I'd hold it as equally valid as my p.o.v.
notice how they failed to mention talk time via 4g? cnet rumour mill is saying it doesnt use 4g for voice.....
I can see that connector, unless made solidly, snapping or breaking with relative ease, though I do like the idea of not having to worry about the orientation of insertion.
I'm just waiting for Samsung (and possibly HTC) to let rip with the inevitable lawsuits against Apple for the use of LTE without coughing up for the licences to use the patents own by the two companies (I'd say, oooh twenty four to forty eight hours).
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-R...1.21.11+AM.png
swiped from the other thread ;)
Interesting to hear a JBL speaker described as "cruddy". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
Opinions here on NFC are mixed: yes, I like the idea of it being used for (SECURED) micropayments; and that one time I used it to transfer a picture it was a no brainer (c.f. Bluetooth - as as it's known here ... "PUB" - short for "pair you bas*ard!"). Also like the idea that the very short range means that - unlike BT - it can't be used for pushing out adverts when you're out and about.
On the other hand, I'm still a little suspicious that the security controls are properly in place. Both of the NFC capable phones in the house currently have it switched off. Then again Sony are proposing some interesting uses of their "SmartTags" and I believe Samsung/LG are also working along the same lines.
Arguably Apple were correct to leave out NFC this time around, although surely it's a dead certainty for iPhone5S/6 (whatever next year's version is to be called).
Are there 1.3million fanboys a day buying and activating Android phones? Or could it be that most people are starting to see through the over-priced, marginally-changed, small iPhone with more expensive apps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spud1
Even the Apple fanboys I know aren't that interested by the latest iPhone any more....and even a couple of the graphic design guys I know have switched to Android (HTC One X's) for the larger real-estate and better customisation.....and I personally think that trend will continue as more and more people become au fait with tech.
4" is "just right", so does that mean all previous iPhones were all just wrong?
I wonder if current iPhone users are beginning to get bored of the same old OS? Apple haven't made any significant changes to their OS since the first ever iPhone and there are clearly better phones on the market in terms of hardware and software.
I find 4" screens to be too small for browsing websites and I'm baffled by the the fact they have ditched their propriety connectivity port but haven't conformed to a USB port, this just screams suicide, its bound to annoy a lot of current users who will have to fork out for an adapter and ruin the seamless, sleek look of whatever it is they are connecting it to.
Anyway, I'm happy with my current Sensation XE but will be jumping on to a Nokia/Windows 8 phone eventually.
It is purely judging a book by its cover, but a speaker designed to play music from a phone via bluetooth, I assume to be cruddy, however, I would like to be plesently suprised!Quote:
Originally Posted by crossy
Thing is, it should have NFC for paring, and wireless charging, not a new connector.
Surely it would be more innovative, and a refinement to not have to worry about plugging in the damned cable, rather than worrying about which way round the cable goes! With todays technology we already have the devices streaming video/audio and everything else one does with the cable wirelessly (okay, not major firmware updates). So including a 'new' port is batcrap dumb, even if you can do it backwards.
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Originally Posted by ChuckyDB
"Up to twice as fast" it says regarding the processor. Is that the same sort of "up to" we have internet connections?
Massive let down IMO. Its enough to bring the phone to market levels but not a patch on the market leaders.
If they were to fit nfc they wouldn't of been able to make it so thin, + not sure how well the signal would go through that casing.
NFC is a bit of an odd one but my opinions on it are simple.
I'd rather have a feature and never use it, than not have a feature and want to use it!
But if they had put it in, they could have a smaller, say standard USB connector.Quote:
Originally Posted by keithwalton
Also the width of most NFC ciruitry is sub millimeter, so thats not an issue.
As the casing is glass, it wouldn't interfere with it.
So once again I'm just amazed, a new connector, meaning new docks etc, but not wireless ones, which are much more user friendly, quicker and much cooler.
I was reading an article about the new iphone last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
THey said that wireless charging is pointless as you cant use your phone when charging :S
I cant wait for the Wireless charging kit for the galaxy s3 to come out as I Hate having to plug it in at night. the idea of just dumping it on the charging pad and it doing things automagically appeals to me.
Apple are more than likely keeping that for either the 5s or the 6 when they will release it and talk about how they came up with the idea.
I make no bones about my hatred for Apple but I was really hoping that the Iphone5 was going to be something really special. IF they did something that blew everyone away then it would mean other companies would then innovate even more again to take over. Instead this looks like Apple have given up trying to compete with the opposition on features and instead are concentrating on the court side of things.
The iPhone has never competed with features and has always been behind the competition in this regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by kopite
"•Display: The new 4-inch 1136x640 pixels IPS display has the same density as the iPhone 4S at 326 ppi but the length gives it a wider aspect allowing you to “watch widescreen HD video in all its glory - without letterboxing"
Watch HD video in all it's glory? Think they have missed the mark there, HD being 720 vertical lines and not 640.
Still nice try, wonder if they'll get spanked by the ASA?
Quite possibly :D in the same way thatQuote:
Originally Posted by DeludedGuy
could mean you actually have a system that's slightly flawed in nearly every way ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ionicle
Pretty underwhelming stuff from Apple - again - adding features that have been relatively common for the last 6 months and sufffering from the closed and tightly controlled nature of their ecosystem (only realistic explanation for the choice of screen res, I'd've thought). And tbh I was never that impressed with the original iPhone, since I'd been using a smartphone for over a year when it came out!
Certainly apple were innovative in seeing a smartphone as a consumer device rather than a business device, and they were very successful in initially exploiting that market. Since then they haven't really pushed on with that innovation and taken the market anywhere new - and now all their competitors have caught up and are creating phones that are as good as, or better than, the iPhone they've moved to squash the opposition in court rather than work out how to take the iPhone to the next level. Sad stuff, really. New iPhone releases always seem to be attempts to keep up with the Joneses - and this one isn't even that successful. It's got to be a fantastic opportunity for Nokia now, with the Microsoft ecosystem behind them, to carve out some share in the market ...
Even I was expecting more TBH, but I don't doubt a ton of people will still see that magical increased number after 'iPhone' and need to buy it, despite not really improving on what they already had.
Oh and before Apple 'invent' wireless charging with the 5W, electric toothbrushes have had something similar for decades...
Just noticed this on Hexus: http://hexus.net/mobile/news/apple/4...ce=twitterfeed
Edit: Seems I pasted that link without reading it properly, instead of being forced to use a standard connector, the EU have just given them an excuse to charge £15 for yet another laughably overpriced adapter.
Hmm, I know a few Palm pre folks who'd disagree with that. And my kids quite happily use their Touchpad tablets when they're on the charger.Quote:
Originally Posted by kopite
And I can't believe for a microsecond that Apple couldn't design a charging system that would allow them to do that too.
Totally agree - the new Lumia's look pretty technically good, and the design is appealing - here's hoping that they finally get the breakthrough they deserve. As you say, Apple's "fumble" with the '5 might just be that opening...Quote:
Originally Posted by scaryjim
It's a decent phone but really not very interesting :(
The hardware at least has changed but the software is still stuck in time for me.
http://imgur.com/a/NAeNN
Oh I love the internets
Well, my upgrade in December is decided.
Lumia 920. Sorry, iPhone 4, you served me well but it's time for us to move on.
Hands up iPhone users who said any screen size bigger than the iPhone 4 was stupid and you would never buy one. I argued with a lot of you but I guess something changed, maybe you saw everyone else being able to use the internet. Another marvellous bit of Apple innovation there.
Haha brilliantQuote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
The strangest thing to me (suffice to say I am not an apple fan), is the change of the docking connector. I would have thought the only thing this had going for it is that existing apple customers would buy it, it certainly wouldnt seem to attract new customers over the competition. With that in mind, why make existing customers doubt upgrading because all their accessories stop working. Truly strange - then again I'll probably be proved wrong and all those apple customers will happily buy exact copies of all their existing accessories all the while raving about how awesome the new connector is.
Companies, particularly Apple don't have morals... instead they have shareholders.Quote:
Originally Posted by ionicle
We'll see you in your "I love saint Steve" T Shirt whooping with joy outside your local Store for 2 days to get to the head of the queue then?
iPhone 5 is just a bump over the last one, the hardware is OK but not quite good enough to be considered top of the pile... it's the OS that sucks though, seriously the home screen is a grid of icons... that's rather... 2003 ish. Can't stand the mono-buttoned simplistic idiocy, the Mrs' iPad infuriates me whenever she needs tech support.
I can't speak for other iPhone users, but I am not. Seriously, I was only looking for a phone that does what my relic does, but faster, with 3G (yes, 3), GPS, with better camera and crap load of capacity more capacity. Aside from the last point, the 3GS (I now regret not buying it on release as given my requirements, it probably would've lasted until the iPhone 8 lol) fully meet my requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeludedGuy
One reason that puts me off switching is because I can not be bothered "re-learning" how to use the phone (that goes from the routine all the way to the jailbreak/rooting procedures). I'd like to think that I have the capacity to do so, but I rather spend my time doing other things. So I am quite fine with incremental polishing than something "revolutionary" that requires me to start from scratch. It might be worth it in the long run, but due to my schedule, the convenience of short-term familiarity matters more.
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I have a charger, external battery and a data connector. The charger costed me about £3, the external battery £7 while the data connector costed £1. Not exactly heart breaking losses. Replacing them would likely cost a lot more than what I paid for the old ones, but there is still the option of getting the adapter for £25. An annoyance, but not a deal breaker. I suspect that a bigger issue for many Apple customers, the cost of replacing their applications is just as severe if not more so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Champman99
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In terms of hardware "upgrade", the real deal breaker for me is the darn nano-sim. I've already mentioned how Japanese operators are likely to squeeze the customers for far more than whatever price difference in hardware there is between the iPhone and, say the Galaxy S (a one off cost of £100 doesn't bother me, but a cost of £25-30 each month is). But that is not all. I travel a lot, and where possible, I try to use local PAYG SIM to avoid rip-off roaming charges (usually it's worth it if you plan to be in the country for a week or so). I have no less than 5 SIMs right now. None of them came in micro-SIM format, but I do own a cutter. By the sound of it, the nano-SIM is thinner, so I'll have to be ready to sand the darn SIMs. Even if that work (untested), I question if I could fit it back on an old phone for whatever reason (e.g. lose/break the phone). In a few years it will be a non-issue (assuming the format becomes standard and smartphone continues replacing old phones worldwide), but in the short term this is the *one* thing I was hoping the rumours were wrong on.
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Re: Lumia 920: Are there any samples of pictures taken from the camera, or is the hype based on specification only? If the camera can match up to the hype, then it would be very interesting. I also like the idea that it can be used with gloves. What is however a pity is the 32GB capacity. If the camera is decent, I'll probably use it quite often and I want my phone to hold quite a lot of music too. The OS is also a bit unproven, and I worry about the availability of applications to replace what I use most. It's also on the heavier side.
As it is, the S3 is looking appealing. Will have to play with it and check how it fits on my hand and pocket though. May have to hunt a used 3GS or Touch (whichever is cheaper) just to run the applications I need without equal on Android though :/
Interesting, I was looking to buy this, but I think I'm going to brave the Galaxy Note 2 instead. My pockets are large enough!!
http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/7/329...tos/in/3057769 Also if you like having music on your phone, the XBox music pass (previously Zune!) is much better than spotify premium I find.Quote:
Originally Posted by TooNice
However for traveling its still using a stupid sim. I actually carry two phones when away, my UK number and my local sim. I am now using a Nokia Lumia that I bought new for £70, as it has execptionally good offline maps for South East Asia, Africa and Russia. Also good enough in France/Spain thou I've not really used it much there.
I can't really see anything worthwhile in the new iPhone to make me want to buy it. Having said that I don't think much of the equivalent Android devices either. At the end of the day, smartphones are just phones with fancy widgets and there's only so much you can do with phones! Ooooohhh, faster CPU, quintillion megapixel camera, 4k video... yaaaawwwwnnnn. I think I'll see what bargains there are to be had on the iPhone 4s second hand market.
There isn't that much you can do to a touchscreen based phone hardware wise. They are pretty powerful given they have battery constraints. So better to start polishing the software and bringing real tangible improvements to the overall experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by macbeth1959
I'm neutral as far as Apple goes, but I think Apple may have "plateaued out" now with this dull launch/spec bump. It's going to sell and break records etc, but they are not going to increase their customer base. They'll be stuck with their 15% share of the smart phone market at best.. in fact, even that will likely be eroded by Android and now WP8 IMHO.
This is not the chrono-synclastic infundibula where all the different kinds of truths fit together. It's not even three beautiful women sculpted out of "Titanic peat".
I guess I can wait for the iPhone 20.
How boring and plain lol I don't like apple as a company or any of their dumbed down, overpriced, simpleton products... maybe i'm just biased.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=rdIWKytq_q4
That is all :P
http://i.imgur.com/lzG6z.jpg
The iPhone 5 as tired as this meme is.
Never seen NFC being used in the real world. Also wireless charging is stupid. the pad still has to be connected to a plug socket so what's the point? What if my battery's dead and I want to have a long phone call?
Apple don't add features to compete. They live in their own little world.
Unsurprisingly, neither Spotify Premium, nor Xbox Music Pass is supported in Japan (I'll spare the music price gouging rant for another time too), so I am largely left with my own collection.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus
When you say Lumia which one are you referring to? I looked at the lowest number I could find (710) and it's on micro-sim which is no different from the the 920 - right?
I also have two mobiles I regularly carry on me, but the second (SE W800i) is about an year older than the iPhone, and in worse condition (the standby time is over a day, but the talk time is around 3min - so pretty much emergency only - not to mention other quirks that developed after the first year of use or so). I am tempted to get a cheap 3GS in the interim if the 5 drives the price down further. It'll serve my present needs and work as backup/overseas phone (regular sim) when I get a new toy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaifu-Keitai (It's been around for 8 years in Japan)Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoxide
In the long run, a charging pad would be able to charge multiple devices. I've already seen them - the main problem right now is that it costs more than most people will think it's worth. It saves having a nest of cable of low power devices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoxide
The point is you have the convenience of dumping the phone down on a charging pad instead of fiddling around trying to plug in a cable. Most phones (granted you can't rely on apple to do anything remotely sensible these days) still support charging with a cable if you want to do things like call while charging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoxide
I used it two weeks ago to transfer some picture files from my daughter's Galaxy Mini 2 to my Galaxy S3 for backup purposes. There's also a couple of eWallet applications coming "real soon now" in which case it's possible that you'll be able to pay for your Big Mac n' Fries or Greggs Stottie with NFC-based micropayments. Even the town I live in has NFC-enabled MaccieD's and Greggs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoxide
As someone whose used it I'm going to disagree. It's really a convenience factor in that you just (to quote a fellow Hexian) "drop the phone on the charger" and then grab it n' go. No need to fiddle around the bottom of the device with plugs etc - and quite useful if you're doing it late at night (so either in the dark, or - ahem - alcohol impaired). And if - as you say - wireless charging is "stupid" then why are Nokia (who to be honest know more about phones than Apple, Samsung, etc do) are introducing it, and why are companies like Braun pushing it (for their toothbrushes - and I believe some top end electric razors).Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoxide
And there's the small matter that wireless charging doesn't usually preclude the wired variety (if you do need to make that long time call with a near flat battery - although there's also a thing called "bluetooth headsets" that might help here!). Wireless charging also means reduced risk of damage to fragile power/data connectors.
Sorry that's just ridiculous - of course Apple "adds features to compete". If they didn't then that'd make them different to every other company. Heck, they added Apple Maps to compete with Google Maps, larger screens to match the market for these larger displays, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoxide
There's an old cliché that's perhaps appropriate, "in business, a failure to compete is also a failure to succeed" (don't ask me who said it - can't remember)
Isn`t the oyster card in London NFC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoxide
Security cards in My work also use nfc.
No, from memory they're using an RFID system.Quote:
Originally Posted by kopite
I know Mcdonalds use it, currently in the store opposite me it has had a massive sign saying about NFC payments for about a year, shame i dont have a phone to use it haha.
Pretty underwelming release and im glad because once again it shows how unoriginal Apple is and I forsee the fall of this empire in the next few years as Microsoft and Nokia make their way back to the top and Android OEMs continue their success.
Apple were so hellbent on the whole "Stop copying us" and now it seems they just copied everyone, we dont need large screens its silly though stupid Android phones and now look its a larger display that they now advertise as Just Right, so the old iphones were wrong :D.
However I can see the appeal to people already in the itunes ecosystem and if it works for you then good for you, I dont want to be seen as knocking the users just the company :), its very unoriginal and leaving out key future tech is the norm for Apple isnt it? No front camera saying you dont need it then next handset shouting to the rooftops about how you need this camera haha, going to be the same with NFC in iPhone 6 :).
What I find the most hypocritical thing from Apples launch though is the whole copying, they kept saying to stop copying us and do something like Nokia with their Lumias and launch something different and if you guys have seen the new iPod Nano you will have to play spot the difference between it and a lumia!.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia...medium=twitter
Slightly smaller screen and replaced windows buttons with their single button, very very original Apple.
Oh well, power to the Android and Windows Phone ecosystems!.
Really strange. Yes no NFC.... yet but it's inevitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camoxide
The point of wireless charging is not that you somehow escape being near a wall plug, it's the simplicity of simply putting something down & picking it up again. I, for one, hate *constantly* plugging/unplugging my phone just to keep topping it up. And then the connector socket gets loose & breaks (happened - pain in the butt). I plug it in to charge, someone rings and I have to unplug to have a normal conversation without being tethered to a wall... Wireless charging sounds BRILLIANT. And it is an innovation that benefits everyone who buys the phone right from the off, unlike Siri, which I have *never* seen anyone use productively on a regular basis (and I know enough iphone users).
What if your battery's dead and you have a long phone call? Then your phone will turn off. Seriously though, with wireless charging, the whole point is my battery will rarely be low/dead because it is so easy to charge! (just. put. it. down. - yay). Given your scenario though, er... I would just let it charge up for a bit first? You ask this question like it's important - like there aren't usually another 2 or 3 mobile phones, landlines and skype etc in the household you couldn't use if you *really had to* make that phone call straight away.
You're too right Apple don't add features to compete and live in their own little world. Who'd have thought that in just two generations, Nokia would build a better spec, more innovative phone in virtually every way than the richest company in the world who invented these modern, popular, touchscreen smartphones and are already on their 6th iteration...
Now now. We are talking about a company who was, until less than 6 months ago, the largest mobile phone manufacturer in the world by shipment. Sure their share price took a serious beating since mid-2007. But that's because they have been idling for so bloody long. You said it took Nokia 2 generations to catch up/surpass Apple (I'll reserve judgement until release - the camera and special touch screen is appealing, but the 32GB limit isn't and I wonder what else they have up their sleeve), but what were they doing for the other couple of years? Weren't they doing exactly what you are accusing Apple of doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noli
That ginger beard.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAnimus